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Daz
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You're still allowed to nominate someone yourself, and attempt to convince people to vote for that person instead of yourself.
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Daz
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Because I'm handing over to Lost today the discussion phase shall be going on a bit longer- until Tuesday 7:30pm (GMT).
Alright. We're going to have to choose somebody else before we get to the next phase. I'm not sure who's running it right now (@Daz or @Lost-and-Bewildered ) but if I could, I'd like to make my reveal. If I let myself get lynched, the Mafia pretty much wins.
So. I await for confirmation as Mayor.
So. I await for confirmation as Mayor.
Well then... I'd say you've made your point about not lynching based on activity pretty clear, @Dipper
So throwing that out of the window for the time being, my main suspect would have to be @The Tragedy, based on their behavior during discussion...
So throwing that out of the window for the time being, my main suspect would have to be @The Tragedy, based on their behavior during discussion...
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Kiilgore
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Oh yes. Because I totally knew dipper was the mayor when I nominated him.
I do not like this argument at all really. Yes, I DID try to Lynch dipper. I will admit that.
But that was BEFORE he revealed, meaning that I would have only my reads to go off of, which pointed towards scum.
In addition, a factor towards me nominating him was because all of us (excluding him Obv.) Suspected him to be mafia to some degree. Including you.
When dipper asked about suspects:
To be fair, I also pointed out that both of you were lynch happy before and with the reveal that he is Mayor, it makes me extra suspicious of you because he has a reason. He was hoping to find the mafia. I personally agreed at the time, but my views have changed. You may not have known he was mayor, but you did have suspicions on him. @Kiilgore
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Kiilgore
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First Lynch: was following our only lead, and your idea no less.
Second Lynch:
The second day, the both of us didn't join in on the tiger truth bandwagon.
So how exactly am I Lynch happy then? Because we had aligning views basically.
Was it because he revealed?
Sooo uhh.... What are you getting at with this?
Don't get snippy with each other, guys. What's done is done. Who has been lynched has been lynched. People had their suspicions for me due to my relatively inactivity, and I get that. I too had suspicions. But throwing the blame around isn't going to get us anywhere.
We need to check who's still alive in the game. For all we know, our mafia could have been silent on the matter of lynching entirely to avoid drawing attention. While I do have my own suspicions, they're unfounded for now. No evidence. Having an investigator would have made this significantly easier.
We need to check who's still alive in the game. For all we know, our mafia could have been silent on the matter of lynching entirely to avoid drawing attention. While I do have my own suspicions, they're unfounded for now. No evidence. Having an investigator would have made this significantly easier.
Well then how do we proceed? To be honest I feel like all we can do is put our best guesses out there for discussion and hope to prove them or eliminate them. I don't have a better idea, so if someone else does, the floor is theirs. XD
Honestly, all we can do is round up everyone involved and put our heads together. There really isn't a lot to go on, with our mafia either being good at hiding, or distant from the goings-on in this thread.
For now, if anyone has suspicions, lay them out and explain them. We can try to build off of that. No assured lynching, just something to start with.
Well... my main suspect is currently @The Tragedy, mostly due to my earlier point about their comments that seemed aimed to shift suspicion onto the same people that the Mafia were going after. They did mention something about not intending them that way or somesuch, but have yet to explain it in a way that sits right with me. I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt if they can do that, but if not...
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Kiilgore
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Outa those who are currently alive:
Maingoers of the thatguyinthestore Lynch: luckycoolhawk and I (
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Maingoers of the tigertruth Lynch: everyone other than luckycoolhawk, the tradegy and I.
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Maingoers of the dipper nomination: everyone but Dipper. (Just happened, so I don't need to quote the messages.... Do I?)
So this shows that if we were to go with
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My primary suspicion is luckycoolhawk. The whole extange between the two of us is what makes me susp.
His arguments seem poorly formed, desperate, and that such.
It seemed like he was suspecting me for voting (well... Nominating) the mayor prior to reveal. Another one of his points seemingly was that I had suspicions on the mayor prior to reveal. Again, this doesn't make sense.
His calling me Lynch happy was kinda poorly formed imho because
a) I followed his idea to Lynch the inactive.
B) it was a consensus on the dipper nomination. (Meaning he too, was in on it. Initially before the reveal anyways.)
C) when it came to tiger truth, we seemed to have the same view.
If anything, I think that would more point towards him being Lynch happy, just not being the executor of the nomination.
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Maingoers of the thatguyinthestore Lynch: luckycoolhawk and I (
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Maingoers of the tigertruth Lynch: everyone other than luckycoolhawk, the tradegy and I.
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Maingoers of the dipper nomination: everyone but Dipper. (Just happened, so I don't need to quote the messages.... Do I?)
So this shows that if we were to go with
It would point towards the tradegy the most. Which would be one mafia if we are correct.... But otherwise the stay out of the Lynch thing doesn't work out...
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My primary suspicion is luckycoolhawk. The whole extange between the two of us is what makes me susp.
His arguments seem poorly formed, desperate, and that such.
It seemed like he was suspecting me for voting (well... Nominating) the mayor prior to reveal. Another one of his points seemingly was that I had suspicions on the mayor prior to reveal. Again, this doesn't make sense.
His calling me Lynch happy was kinda poorly formed imho because
a) I followed his idea to Lynch the inactive.
B) it was a consensus on the dipper nomination. (Meaning he too, was in on it. Initially before the reveal anyways.)
C) when it came to tiger truth, we seemed to have the same view.
If anything, I think that would more point towards him being Lynch happy, just not being the executor of the nomination.
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Well, who is it? It could lead to discussion on them which could prove (or clear) your suspicions.
That moment when you aren't getting notifs for some reason and then you come back to major stuffs...
I am so happy we have suspicions cleared up on Dipper then... finally some solid evidence to work with. Sorry for the suspicions, my dude. Glad we've got a confirmed townie.
Anyway, interesting that you noted The Tragedy hasn't actually called for any lynches, Kiilgore. That's a mafia tactic... although frankly in games of Town of Salem I usually abstain from voting unless 90% sure I know who I'm voting for is mafia. But I see this as suspicious too, as townies are usually inclined towards making votes and mafia have no reason to (although they will vote in on an inno, so... given the fact that he hasn't been aiding mislynches could provide for him some defense).
Anyhow, like I said though, my second suspicion was Hawk based on the evidence Kiilgore provided. I do trust both Starlighter and Kiilgore and am inclined to think they're inno based on the worth of their contributions, and although it could be a ruse, I somehow think not. Dipper is now confirmed innocent. The Tragedy is... up in the air. And opinions of me, I'm unsure of, but regardless...
I'd certainly like to know of Dipper's suspicions as well.
I am so happy we have suspicions cleared up on Dipper then... finally some solid evidence to work with. Sorry for the suspicions, my dude. Glad we've got a confirmed townie.
Anyway, interesting that you noted The Tragedy hasn't actually called for any lynches, Kiilgore. That's a mafia tactic... although frankly in games of Town of Salem I usually abstain from voting unless 90% sure I know who I'm voting for is mafia. But I see this as suspicious too, as townies are usually inclined towards making votes and mafia have no reason to (although they will vote in on an inno, so... given the fact that he hasn't been aiding mislynches could provide for him some defense).
Anyhow, like I said though, my second suspicion was Hawk based on the evidence Kiilgore provided. I do trust both Starlighter and Kiilgore and am inclined to think they're inno based on the worth of their contributions, and although it could be a ruse, I somehow think not. Dipper is now confirmed innocent. The Tragedy is... up in the air. And opinions of me, I'm unsure of, but regardless...
I'd certainly like to know of Dipper's suspicions as well.
We've got six people still alive so far, including me. That leaves three (?) mafia. That gives us a pretty good chance of hitting a mafia if we lynch. If we've still got our doctor I may be able to survive the next night phase and narrow the list of suspects down further. What I want to avoid is mislynching, but as we've got until Tuesday, we should figure something out.
As for my suspicions, I'm half-and-half; part of me wants to go after the overzealous among us. The ones who were determined to lynch somebody earlier. That means @Starlighter and @Kiilgore. I'm not saying I've decided 100%, just that you two are where my suspicions lie as of now. I view @The Tragedy as a possibility, but not a concrete one as of yet.
The rest of you have yet to give me any evidence of being Mafia for now. I can't recall if anyone else can reveal or not.
As for my suspicions, I'm half-and-half; part of me wants to go after the overzealous among us. The ones who were determined to lynch somebody earlier. That means @Starlighter and @Kiilgore. I'm not saying I've decided 100%, just that you two are where my suspicions lie as of now. I view @The Tragedy as a possibility, but not a concrete one as of yet.
The rest of you have yet to give me any evidence of being Mafia for now. I can't recall if anyone else can reveal or not.
@Dipper
Fairly certain there're two mafia. Although with you ruled out, that's a 2 in 5 chance for a correct vote. From my perspective, a 1 in 2 chance. I'm inclined to think doc is no longer around, although if they are, here's hoping they know to heal you.
I understand rooting out those advocating most strongly. Although as it stands, judging by Kiilgore's reactions (especially after Hawk directed suspicion towards them), well... I'm acting on gut feel, and I don't necessarily trust my gut feel as it's no more correct than a typical assumption, but from the beginning Kiilgore's been helpful and... solicitous, I suppose. Could be one of those more uncommon cases where mafia present themselves in seeming like one of the townies from how active and concerned they are, but I see it as Kiilgore has simply been contributing as best as they can, without any indication of treachery (unless someone would like to demonstrate otherwise).
Starlighter's been a tad less 'active' in that sense, mainly focused about highlighting suspicions which is all fair and good, and a common enough approach. It's not the hardest thing to do in order to pretend your innocence, but...
The one who seems most suspicious to me as it stands is Hawk, undoubtedly. Aggressive at points, quick to lynch just as Kiilgore was, but in attempting to direct the blame to Kiilgore when there were several of us who just as strongly held suspicions regarding Dipper... that earned my attention. It went from 'not sure who to vote' (typical mafia trying to avert attention from themselves by pretending their lack of desire to mislynch) to 'you tried to kill the mayor, you're my main suspicion' (not the strongest argument in order to prove someone's guilt; even if Kiilgore initiated that vote, that comment reeks of desperation to buy time by averting the attention from yourself ESPECIALLY when you, another suspicious target, also assisted in attempts at that lynch, along with several others who could be just as guilty from a logical perspective. From my understanding, as someone who was so 'certain' that Dipper was mafia only to be proven otherwise, naturally you would not want to make such a sure statement following what was close to being a huge error that you had contributed to... and yet Hawk was quickest to act otherwise).
I think it's important to also consider relationships between players in general. Mafia tend to either associate with one another, defending each other's views, defending one another from suspicion and following in on their mislynches, or disassociate completely (followed by betrayal or a general lack of care if suspicions are directed at one mafia, so that they other may divert suspicion from themselves in future and win the game for the both of them). Given the friction between Killgore and Hawk, I am hugely inclined to think one of them is innocent, or they are both innocent and misguided in their opinions of one another. I can't perceive mafia actually disagreeing like that, not in the least (unless scripted - why direct suspicions at each other however?-, and I think I am right in saying that mafia know each other and do associate privately, in order to determine their victim). So on this basis, given I am more wary of Hawk's erratic behaviour in general, he is without doubt my greatest suspicion as of current and I'll likely be changing my vote to him.
Fairly certain there're two mafia. Although with you ruled out, that's a 2 in 5 chance for a correct vote. From my perspective, a 1 in 2 chance. I'm inclined to think doc is no longer around, although if they are, here's hoping they know to heal you.
I understand rooting out those advocating most strongly. Although as it stands, judging by Kiilgore's reactions (especially after Hawk directed suspicion towards them), well... I'm acting on gut feel, and I don't necessarily trust my gut feel as it's no more correct than a typical assumption, but from the beginning Kiilgore's been helpful and... solicitous, I suppose. Could be one of those more uncommon cases where mafia present themselves in seeming like one of the townies from how active and concerned they are, but I see it as Kiilgore has simply been contributing as best as they can, without any indication of treachery (unless someone would like to demonstrate otherwise).
Starlighter's been a tad less 'active' in that sense, mainly focused about highlighting suspicions which is all fair and good, and a common enough approach. It's not the hardest thing to do in order to pretend your innocence, but...
The one who seems most suspicious to me as it stands is Hawk, undoubtedly. Aggressive at points, quick to lynch just as Kiilgore was, but in attempting to direct the blame to Kiilgore when there were several of us who just as strongly held suspicions regarding Dipper... that earned my attention. It went from 'not sure who to vote' (typical mafia trying to avert attention from themselves by pretending their lack of desire to mislynch) to 'you tried to kill the mayor, you're my main suspicion' (not the strongest argument in order to prove someone's guilt; even if Kiilgore initiated that vote, that comment reeks of desperation to buy time by averting the attention from yourself ESPECIALLY when you, another suspicious target, also assisted in attempts at that lynch, along with several others who could be just as guilty from a logical perspective. From my understanding, as someone who was so 'certain' that Dipper was mafia only to be proven otherwise, naturally you would not want to make such a sure statement following what was close to being a huge error that you had contributed to... and yet Hawk was quickest to act otherwise).
I think it's important to also consider relationships between players in general. Mafia tend to either associate with one another, defending each other's views, defending one another from suspicion and following in on their mislynches, or disassociate completely (followed by betrayal or a general lack of care if suspicions are directed at one mafia, so that they other may divert suspicion from themselves in future and win the game for the both of them). Given the friction between Killgore and Hawk, I am hugely inclined to think one of them is innocent, or they are both innocent and misguided in their opinions of one another. I can't perceive mafia actually disagreeing like that, not in the least (unless scripted - why direct suspicions at each other however?-, and I think I am right in saying that mafia know each other and do associate privately, in order to determine their victim). So on this basis, given I am more wary of Hawk's erratic behaviour in general, he is without doubt my greatest suspicion as of current and I'll likely be changing my vote to him.
That's an incredibly thoughtful answer, and I'm inclined to agree.
You're right about Starlighter, so I suppose I could cross them off for now. Kiilgore seemed fairly eager to lynch, but either it was to buy time as Mafia, or a desperate attempt to get rid of a mafia as quickly as possible. Hawk I'm not sure about, but I understand your suspicions. The comment about it being strange for Kiilgore to want to lynch me does seem a bit odd, considering nobody knew I was innocent until I revealed.
I don't want to suspect Kiilgore, as they've been contributing well enough. That leaves Hawk and Tragedy as the main suspects, for now. Or Kiilgore could be swapped with one of them, we don't know.
What do the rest of you think?
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The Tragedy
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@Starlighter
My earlier post about suspicions wasnt to take it off anyone, just from the last two days we've been lynchin due to inactivity, luckily we've seemed to jump off that train so we can begin to think more critically about evidence
My earlier post about suspicions wasnt to take it off anyone, just from the last two days we've been lynchin due to inactivity, luckily we've seemed to jump off that train so we can begin to think more critically about evidence
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