MAFIA - DAY TIME

[Starlighter]

My personal suspicion is The Tragedy, as I noticed quite a lurkish pattern as far as activity went, and then they made these comments -

Yeah he was, so i suppose they wanted to try to get rid of the key people so to speak. You know cut out the big competition but still we messed up anyway with no mafia being lynched last time but who was involved with the discussion as they would probably be some main suspects as they were aware of it

there is no solid evidence to support a mafia member other then they were present to know Joan was fairly active during the discussion which could still be anyone, but that's usually how these games go at the start, you start with little and as the numbers start dwindling we figuring out the mafia

- which seem aimed at shifting suspicion towards the more active players - which, y'all may have noticed, are the people who keep getting killed by the Mafia... maybe it's just me, but I find that really, really suspicious. Also as far as I can tell, none of the information coming from The Tragedy has really seemed aimed at actually drawing conclusions outside of pointing suspicion at the people the Mafia are already killing. Like this:

Yeah besides activity there's no real clue, however, i don't think we should be basing our accusations on activity, we should more try to determine who it is,

Which seems like exactly what we want to be doing (aka the perfect thing for Mafia to say so that they seem sincere)... except that the rest of the comment -

There are now 6 people left, 2 mafia, maybe a doctor, and maybe a detective, or just innocents, are there any roles i'm forgetting?

- in my personal opinion doesn't really 'reveal' anything, as this information can easily be concluded by anyone who remembers all of the roles. Lastly, playing dumb by 'forgetting' to list all the roles is the perfect way for a smart Mafia to pretend that they aren't intelligent enough for this much subterfuge, and therefore not someone we should suspect. That's reaching a bit, I will admit; but still.

Lastly, their current title thing says 'I'm the Killer' which to me sounds like a taunt.

So that's my two cent interpretation of events, anyway.

As for Dipper, I find him kinda suspicious too. It's like he's here and saying stuff without really saying anything, y'know? Like he saw that all the suspicion was on the inactives, so he started saying random unhelpful things as a way to blend in and keep from giving anything away.

 

[Dipper]

Whoa.

I'm no sleuth. I figured basing it off of inactivity was a good way to start, but... someone could easily beat that and get away scott-free if they played their cards right. Alternatively, if you were mafia, you'd keep up high activity in an attempt to seem like you're just another player trying to find... well, yourself. And to get rid of as many innocents as possible.

I'm curious as to how much time it took you to figure all of that stuff out, and who else you'd suspect.

 

[Vitreus]

@Starlighter
I personally think you're over-analyzing The Tragedy... but of course you're free to draw your own conclusions, and you may very well be right. I agree entirely with what you've said regarding Dipper though.

The fact of the matter is hyperactivity or inactivity only assist with making assumptions (which truly mean little in a game of Mafia, especially at this stage of the game) and our lone investigator is either dead or has been inactive this entire game. Doctor might be doing something (at least they were initially, I'll assume in that there was no murder the first night) but there's no solid evidence that escort has been carrying out their role (although they may very well be doing so, it's useless if both Mafia are active). Therefore, in the absence of any legitimate leads or reports, we're trying to draw conclusions based on the characters of those who have been talking... although there's a chance Mafia are just silently offing us.

Again however, I'm still suspicious of Dipper since he was all silent until called out. And he hasn't necessarily been contributing a lot of thought, so it's kind of like being active for the sake of diverting suspicion. Again though, since we've no solid leads, this is all conjecture, but if there's a person I'm tempted to vote in based on the typical disposition and approach of Mafia members, it's him.

 

[Dipper]

Well, I can't speak for everyone, but I personally haven't seen any evidence whatsoever going one way or another for anybody. Think about it. The majority of the people on here aren't saying anything that could be taken as being suspicious or not.

I assumed early on that the mafia was obvious because of their lack of activity.

With that said, basing it on activity or lack thereof is no longer a viable method of tracking down the mafia. The last victim of our lynching was innocent, but fairly inactive. Alternatively, one of the mafia may very well be here right now. It's tricks, guys. Either they're inactive, or they're clever.

 

[The Tragedy]

@Starlighter
Just to clear this up that title was made before I even started this game even started, just to throw out any pointless evidence and I wasn't trying to shift the point to activeplayers, when i saw that, i began looking through the less active people's last online stuff, however, anyone who could have been suspicious didn't have there's displayed so therewas no way to cut the innocent on lack of presence or just another suspect. As for your last comment I honestly did not know all of the roles, the game of mafia differs so much wkth roles depending who plays it, with some only having mafia doctors and detectives and others having tons of different roles, i just wanted to figure out our numbers as to know if we kept on randomly lynching what our chances of getting a mafia would be which is currently 33%. As were still going of zilch for evidence besides they weren't really around which hasn't been working too well with both times being innocents, I only say dipper on that account as that's really the only person who I can think of being one of them. I was asked who first came to mind and that's who I thought

 

[Kiilgore]

Lastly, their current title thing says 'I'm the Killer' which to me sounds like a taunt.

Tbf... He had that as his title before the game started iirc, so I don't think that's as reliable of a point.

(Pre-post ninja'd edit: So he did. Had this typed up before that.)


@Dipper

Your primary fos, based off of what you can gather? (And why.)

If you can't provide that, then at the very least, who do you town read?

Also, by being more active, maf could accidentally leave behind tells. Less tells left behind, less likely to be tracked down.

Either they're inactive completely, or they're clever.

You say the inactive completely, (before that edit) yet they still got a kill the night before the tiger truth Lynch.
What made you want to continue the inactivity path? Especially since it was revealed that 'thatguyinthestore' was town too.

 

[Dipper]

Tbf... He had that as his title before the game started iirc, so I don't think that's as reliable of a point.

(Pre-post ninja'd edit: So he did. Had this typed up before that.)


@Dipper

Your primary fos, based off of what you can gather? (And why.)

If you can't provide that, then at the very least, who do you town read?

Also, by being more active, maf could accidentally leave behind tells. Less tells left behind, less likely to be tracked down.



You say the inactive completely, (before that edit) yet they still got a kill the night before the tiger truth Lynch.
What made you want to continue the inactivity path? Especially since it was revealed that 'thatguyinthestore' was town too.

I'm not sure. Like I said, I'm no sleuth. Things are still being pieced together. I'd like to assume at least half the people engaged right now are non-mafia, but I can't be certain.

What I meant by inactive completely, before the edit, was people who have been silent since the game started. Or silent on on here, anyway. At first it seemed like an easy way to get the mafia, but with tigertruth being innocent, that's been proven unreliable. I'm not entirely sure what you mean past this point.

 

[Kiilgore]

I'm not entirely sure what you mean past this point.

Our first Lynch, thatguyinthestore, was also an inactive. That was what I was referring to.

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As for your last comment I honestly did not know all of the roles, the game of mafia differs so much wkth roles depending who plays it, with some only having mafia doctors and detectives and others having tons of different roles

Although this is a fair enough point, Daz told us the roles on the signup page, prior to the game start. However, if Daz added a role (or changed one, rather) in secret, then that would be different...

 

[Vitreus]

@Kiilgore
In no such blatant defense for him, although it will certainly seem that way, it's easy to forget the roles to a particular Mafia game. Moreover, I'd personally give him the benefit of the doubt in the case he wasn't keeping an eye on the other thread.

I'm hoping next game we're allowed more investigative roles. It'd make life a lil' easier, especially in the face of what I'm assuming are several inactives. Basic "civilian" roles don't offer anything, can make the game frustrating.

 

[Starlighter]

I'm curious as to how much time it took you to figure all of that stuff out, and who else you'd suspect.

Well... not very long actually. Usually when it comes to patterns, something either jumps out at me right away, or it doesn't. When thinking over the possibilities, The Tragedy stuck out to me. *shrug* As for who else I would suspect.... everyone. But at the time of writing that, I most heavily suspected The Tragedy and felt like my energy would be best spent putting it out there and seeing if anyone could prove me wrong.

@Starlighter
I personally think you're over-analyzing The Tragedy... but of course you're free to draw your own conclusions, and you may very well be right.

I see your point here... however I figured that if I was going to explain why I suspected them, I may as well do it with all the potential evidence I could think of, though several of my points seem to have been shot out of the water. XD I can't say that at this point I'm completely convinced of anyone's guilt anymore...

Just to clear this up that title was made before I even started this game even started, just to throw out any pointless evidence

This is a fair point, I will grant you. I honestly don't remember though, so the validity of this is based on your word and what others remember, though you've got Kiilgore backing you so that's a positive sign.

and I wasn't trying to shift the point to activeplayers

Perhaps I misunderstood some part of your post and you already explained this; if so, my apologies: But if you weren't trying to say that we should be taking a closer look at the active players while looking less at the inactives (or something to similar effect) then what exactly were you trying to say?

 

[Daz]

There are no secret or changed roles.

 

[The Tragedy]

@Starlighter
I was just trying to say that so far we've only based our evidence on the fact someone's been inactive, which hasn't been working, so how about we take a step back and really try to analyze it?

 

[Kiilgore]

Just so that he doesn't get off easy because of being offline at the time, @LuckycoolHawk9
Who is your primary scum read and why?

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As for who else I would suspect.... everyone

From the 'everyone else', who do you suspect the most though?

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Our first Lynch, thatguyinthestore, was also an inactive. That was what I was referring to.

I suppose I should explain this in further detail. It was kinda vague.

So our D1 Lynch was an inactive that flipped as inno. (Meaning 2 maf left) tiger and store were our inactives really.

And d2, someone was killed, meaning that the mafia was somewhat active at the time, or at least one of them were.

 

[Starlighter]

From the 'everyone else', who do you suspect the most though?

Well Dipper and The Tragedy are still my top two suspects, but if you're asking who after them (not totally sure if that's what you mean or not) then probably.... LuckyCoolHawk9? Mostly because they seem to have a lurky present-but-not-revealing-too-much vibe similar to Dipper.

 

[Kiilgore]

but if you're asking who after them (not totally sure if that's what you mean or not)

Yup.
Exactly what I meant.

then probably.... LuckyCoolHawk9? Mostly because they seem to have a lurky present-but-not-

Hm. Fair enough. Going into this day phase, I was slightly town reading him, mainly because of his reluctance to Lynch our inactive when it was evident that we had at least one active maf.
(

... I am debating if we should even nominate anyone.

) But since he hasn't responded to my tag and asking for his reads yet, it is wavering.... Idk if he isn't getting the notif, gave up, or just WANTS us to think that's the case...
@LuckycoolHawk9

 

[LuckycoolHawk9]

More that I was in college. I don't have a read on anyone to be honest. At this point, I suspect everyone who isn't dead and throwing the blame around. We are not getting anywhere with these random guesses. Personally, I am getting more suspicious of the people attempting to nominate lurkers.

 

[Dipper]

If the mafia's not lurking, they're not giving any tells. There's just not enough evidence to go on at this point. Either way, lynching a lurker is not a straight shot to catching the mafia. Eventually we'll get it, but as of now, it's only going to narrow the search and leave us with a lot of dead innocents.

 

[LuckycoolHawk9]

If the mafia's not lurking, they're not giving any tells. There's just not enough evidence to go on at this point. Either way, lynching a lurker is not a straight shot to catching the mafia. Eventually we'll get it, but as of now, it's only going to narrow the search and leave us with a lot of dead innocents.

The only problem with that is eventually if we lynch enough innocents, then Mafia will get the majority and be able to eliminate the last townie. It also doesn't help that we lynched our inactive investigator ( @Daz mentioned it in the other chat)

 

[Dipper]

The only problem with that is eventually if we lynch enough innocents, then Mafia will get the majority and be able to eliminate the last townie. It also doesn't help that we lynched our inactive investigator ( @Daz mentioned it in the other chat)

That's why I mentioned it. It's why people should refrain from lynching based on activity. We've made that mistake twice now, and any more might land us with another dead innocent.

It's unfortunate that we no longer have our investigator. Next round I think it was mentioned we'd get two.

 

[LuckycoolHawk9]

That's why I mentioned it. It's why people should refrain from lynching based on activity. We've made that mistake twice now, and any more might land us with another dead innocent.

It's unfortunate that we no longer have our investigator. Next round I think it was mentioned we'd get two.

Yeah, it is. The last thing we wanted to do is put more innocent blood on her hands.