MAFIA - DAY TIME

[Starlighter]

Okay, @Starlighter.... let's assume that you are indeed telling the truth. That means you had to roleblock someone on n1 who was mafia. Now, @The Tragedy says they healed themselves on n1. So, knowing this information, I am going to assume that you blocked Kiilgore. So, my real question is this- is my theory true or did you roleblock someone else n1?

Also, quick question, @Daz, does the person who is roleblocked know that they are being roleblocked?

I'm afraid I'm not following here. Why would the person I roleblocked on night one have to be mafia? And I blocked Tragedy night one.

@Daz, would it be possible to have you confirm whether or not I did in fact use my night action on @The Tragedy on night one? I'm guessing not, but I know what the confirmation would be so I may as well give it a go...

@Solaresque
To be honest with you, I don't expect that I'll convince you no matter what I say. I really don't understand something though. Obviously you trust Tragedy, but several times you've implied that you doubt they're actually the doc. Maybe that's just me misinterpreting, though...? One other little thing I'd like to mention is that if I am the last mafia, the game would essentially already be over for me. Supposing I convinced Dipper to lynch Tragedy and Tragedy turned out innocent, my only move during the night would be to kill Dipper. Once I did that, it would be down to you, me, and Hawk, and since the two of you both suspect me, I would die. The only other outcome of this day phase is for me to get lynched - so either way, if I'm mafia, I lose. But whether I'm mafia or not I'm about 90% certain I'll be getting lynched this round anyway. XD

 

[The Tragedy]

@Starlighter
No if you have me lynched and kill off Dipper you'd win automatically, and we'd be screwed, so mafia can still win but if everything goes how it should you'll be dead and inno will win

 

[Starlighter]

@Starlighter
No if you have me lynched and kill off Dipper you'd win automatically, and we'd be screwed, so mafia can still win but if everything goes how it should you'll be dead and inno will win

How would I win automatically? If @Solaresque and @LuckycoolHawk9 are still alive, they could vote to lynch me in the day phase after I killed Dipper, right? You guys have to admit that if I am mafia, I'd really be kinda dumb to cook all this up. Hypothetically I would know that you @The Tragedy, are telling the truth about being doc, so why wouldn't I kill you, get someone else lynched today, and then kill Dipper and win? Seriously, I'm already losing the battle to save my neck. You can't honestly believe a mafia who survived this long is THAT stupid.

 

[The Tragedy]

@Starlighter if three people are left with one or more being mafia then game over, obviously for that situation you just detailed unless I don't remember the rules to mafia

 

[Vitreus]

And I blocked Tragedy night one.

Ah...? Well, even if you did, it was a heal that saved the victim, not a roleblock.
And yet Tragedy said he healed himself, indicating that he's the victim, so... clearly one of you are lying. xD Nice to see the pool has been narrowed down to two people.

Obviously you trust Tragedy, but several times you've implied that you doubt they're actually the doc. Maybe that's just me misinterpreting, though...?

Ya, well, I trust him, but I don't have solid evidence that he's the doc. But I'm 90% inclined to think he is. I'll still consider the possibility he's not, for fairness, but I do believe he is.

@Starlighter if three people are left with one or more being mafia then game over, obviously for that situation you just detailed unless I don't remember the rules to mafia

Pretty sure as long as there's two townies and one maf, the game can continue.

 

[The Tragedy]

Hmm ok then @Daz confirmed?

 

[Starlighter]

Ah...? Well, even if you did, it was a heal that saved the victim, not a roleblock.
And yet Tragedy said he healed himself, indicating that he's the victim, so... clearly one of you are lying. xD Nice to see the pool has been narrowed down to two people.

And your proof of a heal being responsible is what, exactly? Technically, we could both be telling the truth. If the mafia chose not to kill the first night (assuming that's a thing they can do) then there was no victim, and neither of our night actions would have meant diddly squat.

Ya, well, I trust him, but I don't have solid evidence that he's the doc. But I'm 90% inclined to think he is. I'll still consider the possibility he's not, for fairness, but I do believe he is.

Fair enough, I'll give you that.

 

[Vitreus]

If the mafia chose not to kill the first night (assuming that's a thing they can do) then there was no victim, and neither of our night actions would have meant diddly squat.

Highly unlikely. Mafia would abstain what for? The chances of that happening are quite low, enough to bar. Given that Kiilgore was active, and according to you the roleblock did not go to Kiilgore, then the likelihood is that it was a heal that saved the victim on first night. That is all unless you can give me a solid reason why mafia would choose not to make a kill on first night, thus risking investigation.

 

[Daz]

Okay, @Starlighter.... let's assume that you are indeed telling the truth. That means you had to roleblock someone on n1 who was mafia. Now, @The Tragedy says they healed themselves on n1. So, knowing this information, I am going to assume that you blocked Kiilgore. So, my real question is this- is my theory true or did you roleblock someone else n1?

Also, quick question, @Daz, does the person who is roleblocked know that they are being roleblocked?

I will not tell the person they are role blocked, but it's possible for them to figure it out in certain situations. So they can 'know', but it will not be because I told them.

I'm afraid I'm not following here. Why would the person I roleblocked on night one have to be mafia? And I blocked Tragedy night one.

@Daz, would it be possible to have you confirm whether or not I did in fact use my night action on @The Tragedy on night one? I'm guessing not, but I know what the confirmation would be so I may as well give it a go...

@Solaresque
To be honest with you, I don't expect that I'll convince you no matter what I say. I really don't understand something though. Obviously you trust Tragedy, but several times you've implied that you doubt they're actually the doc. Maybe that's just me misinterpreting, though...? One other little thing I'd like to mention is that if I am the last mafia, the game would essentially already be over for me. Supposing I convinced Dipper to lynch Tragedy and Tragedy turned out innocent, my only move during the night would be to kill Dipper. Once I did that, it would be down to you, me, and Hawk, and since the two of you both suspect me, I would die. The only other outcome of this day phase is for me to get lynched - so either way, if I'm mafia, I lose. But whether I'm mafia or not I'm about 90% certain I'll be getting lynched this round anyway. XD

I cannot do that.

Hmm ok then @Daz confirmed?

The game will go on until only mafia or only town are left. In the case of ONE non-mayor town and one mafia left the mafia is the only one who can win so it would be a mafia auto-win. Two town versus one mafia could have either mafia or town still win, so the game goes on.

 

[Daz]

Discussion still seems active, so I shall wait another day or two until starting the voting phase.

 

[The Tragedy]

So what were just gonna sit here twiddling our thumbs if we don't vote and the mafia does end up killing one of us tomorrow, specifically the doc who's protecting the mayor we could be in trouble

 

[Vitreus]

Uhh, I'm hoping not? But given a lack of response I'm ready to nominate Starlighter, I guess. I'm only hesitant since I want to heed the opinions of Dipper and Hawk first, but if there's going to be no further input, then I'm all for nominating Star.

 

[Starlighter]

So what were just gonna sit here twiddling our thumbs if we don't vote and the mafia does end up killing one of us tomorrow, specifically the doc who's protecting the mayor we could be in trouble

The town is only in trouble if you and I are both telling the truth and Solar or Hawk is mafia (abstained from killing this round in order to get a mislynch and maintain credibility). 'Cause if I get lynched and proven innocent and then you get killed during the night phase, Dipper has a fifty-fifty of lynching the right person, and if he's wrong, town loses. Solar is entirely capable of pulling off something that clever with the credibility they have right now, as Dipper would be quite unlikely to lynch them over Hawk.

I probably sound like a desperate maf casting suspicion on the one accusing me by saying that, and I will admit that it sounds like a crazy theory. But it's still a possibility, and at this point just about the only scenario where mafia could still win (that I can think of, anyway).

 

[The Tragedy]

I agree I nominate @Starlighter as well

 

[The Tragedy]

Personally I believe @Solaresque to be innocent, so it's either between you and hawk, me leaning more towards you than hawk

 

[Starlighter]

Welp, if I'm gonna die at least that narrows the suspect pool. But if it gets down to Hawk or Solar, then I told you so. XD

Edit: Solar has the perfect set up to pull it off since everyone trusts them, though. But tbh I'm only half invested in this crazy idea to begin with. So like I say, me dying narrows the suspect pool, and it's not game over.

 

[LuckycoolHawk9]

I am still abstaining. If @Starlighter is being honest about being escort, then they most likely roleblocked mafia and our doctor may be dead... if @The Tragedy is being honest about being the doctor- then if he was roleblocked our mayor would be dead. So, essentially, it is down to these two and I rather not guess without hard evidence to one or the other ( even if it costs me my life).

 

[Vitreus]

Edit: Solar has the perfect set up to pull it off since everyone trusts them, though. But tbh I'm only half invested in this crazy idea to begin with. So like I say, me dying narrows the suspect pool, and it's not game over.

Tell you what though, I kinda wish I were mafia. ;u; I feel like I was in a position where I could've played this gorgeously if I were mafia, since there was such little suspicion on me but quite a bit on everyone else. But yeah, just a townie this time. I only wish for people to trust me according to what they've seen and believe of me; if there were suspicion concerning me, that's fair enough and I'd want it to be made known, since I don't intend to undermine the town and it would therefore be best to discuss those issues openly for everyone to consider.


At the end of the day the lot of this involves trust/distrust and some form of risk-taking. I WANT to believe Star, but after everything, I don't believe them. Although I promise you I'm hesitant... there's a chance you could be right, and I acknowledge that. But at this point, /something/ must be done and I'm not sure if abstaining is the way in fear of another murder.

Of course, since you claimed escort, then you actually can't make a kill if you're mafia as you'd need to keep 'roleblocking' Tragedy until we lynch him. If he's proved inno, we'd simply lynch you next (unless it was Hawk this whole time and gg we lose, but given Tragedy's doc claim and your escort claim, it's honestly down to you).

So town /can/ abstain from making a lynch... but since Tragedy's nominated you, I'm going to trust in him and...

I also nominate @Starlighter .

This may be a huge mistake... and I apologise deeply if it is. But I'm going to with what I believed all along. Having seen the level of friction between you and Tragedy, Kiilgore and Tragedy and Hawk and Kiilgore, I'm going to stick to my 'no friction' theory and pray it does me some luck.

'cause the fact that we've gotten to this point anyway is absolutely amazing.

 

[Starlighter]

Well I definitely understand why things look bad for me, and since it's incredibly unlikely that you or Hawk has been gorgeously playing us all along, I don't exactly mind getting lynched, since you'll get the maf next round and town still wins. So since my death will be the final proof, I guess the last contribution I can make is to also nominate myself XD
Nominate: @Starlighter

 

[Daz]

Nomination for @Starlighter acknowledged. I'll start voting later today since it seems you've reached a consensus now.