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This debate is done for me. I don't think anyone is taking things how I am trying to present it, and to be frank I'm getting insulted a lot when it isn't needed, but that's perfectly fine. Have a nice day.
"Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness. When change is absolute there remains no being to improve and no direction is set for possible improvement: and when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." - George SantayanaMy point is, we don't all need so much crazy advance stuff. It's not generally practical to know so much math, or to know all about the wars over history in incredible detail like we're expected to.
When you get a topic as sensitive as education and throw it into a debate, there's bound to be really spirited defending on either side. I don't think @Cowboy was necessarily insulting you, nor do I think the others are. Dervish, Jorick and Cowboy all have made viable points, and you also have yours. While I agree that they could have addressed you a bit more politely, there's no need to go on the defensive so soon. Listen to the others opinions, and offer yours politely. When they see you're able to debate without getting too worked up, and you're polite to them, they may get the hint and tone down their words.This debate is done for me. I don't think anyone is taking things how I am trying to present it, and to be frank I'm getting insulted a lot when it isn't needed, but that's perfectly fine. Have a nice day.
This debate is done for me. I don't think anyone is taking things how I am trying to present it, and to be frank I'm getting insulted a lot when it isn't needed, but that's perfectly fine. Have a nice day.
I don't have time time to read and reply to you all right now as much as I want, but you're missing some of my points or not quite taking them as I intended them.
I also find it fascinating you all assumed online courses, as organized classes. I am talking about 100% free learning after incredibly basic things. No classes whatsoever. More conditioning from the system I would guess... But my point is that then it comes down much more to a motivation level, and yes, we still would get doctors and lawyers from that. But only ones who actually gave a damn to get there.
Of course I am aware of that, but it's one thing to debate and another to go overboard and insult another person. And it's just an issue for me since I really don't know how else to say what I am trying to say. I don't know what other words I could possibly use, so that's why I personally think it's just best I walk away from this before I make things worse through other failed attempts to express myself.
He prefaced with this. He wasn't intending to offend you so much as he was simply passionate about the subject. He was using an aggressive form of argumentation, but wasn't particularly insulting you so much as he was asking you to back up your claims: If school is unnecessary, drop out of school.I'm not going to shout at you, but I'm going to pretty much tell you why your argument is flawed from the perspective of someone who has been through grade school.
Relax caballero, nobody's trying to bash people here. Just passionate arguments.Ok. Seeing as this has become an issue I would like to remind everyone that you all have an opinion and you are entitled to it. This does not give you the right to insult someone based on their opinion. If you disagree with an opinion you can disagree civilly. You do not insult anyone as it is clearly uncalled for. Have done respect for each other.
Of course I am aware of that, but it's one thing to debate and another to go overboard and insult another person. And it's just an issue for me since I really don't know how else to say what I am trying to say. I don't know what other words I could possibly use, so that's why I personally think it's just best I walk away from this before I make things worse through other failed attempts to express myself.
I can't speak for others, although I suspect most would agree, but I for one didn't intend to come across as condescending or rude. If it was perceived that way, it wasn't my intention. Nuisance is lost over text alone, and I'm simply relating my experiences and opinions. I read over my post, the only thing that I think could be taken as remotely insulting is the word 'silly', but I would hope that we're not at a stage where that is actually taken as an insult. Other than that, level and fair language.Of course I am aware of that, but it's one thing to debate and another to go overboard and insult another person. And it's just an issue for me since I really don't know how else to say what I am trying to say. I don't know what other words I could possibly use, so that's why I personally think it's just best I walk away from this before I make things worse through other failed attempts to express myself.
I just have to ask, are you suggesting that people not homeschool? Or are you just saying the choice to do either is important?I think, on average, school is what's needed for people. It provides a structured place to socialize and for children to learn essentials. You may argue on the curriculum, but the concept of schooling is probably merited. The important point is that overall, school is much better compared to the alternative of having children be homeschooled, for at least it provides children with breadth and choice that all our ancestors have laboured for.
As a homeschool student, I can honestly say the idea that it's so hard is very wrong. It's not nearly so bad, and honestly homeschoolers generally are very successful even under somewhat doubtful or uncertain parents. But I wonder, what does 'know what you're doing' entail? Teaching degrees? High education? Confidence?Unless you really know what you're doing, it's better to stick the kid in the educational system and guide them through it.
Not thinking that learning about wars in history is pointless.But I wonder, what does 'know what you're doing' entail? Teaching degrees? High education? Confidence?
Not thinking that learning about wars in history is pointless.
I think it's the fortitude to teach kids a wide array of material, because they don't know what they want yet.As a homeschool student, I can honestly say the idea that it's so hard is very wrong. It's not nearly so bad, and honestly homeschoolers generally are very successful even under somewhat doubtful or uncertain parents. But I wonder, what does 'know what you're doing' entail? Teaching degrees? High education? Confidence?