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>_> I am madly in love with him. Like, unbelievably infatuated. Not in a romantic way, but I cannot get enough of that guy. I watch every Sunday faithfully. I will literally scream at my husband until he turns it on, and I don't care what he's watching.

But, I do get my news from other sources as well. I don't watch the big networks though. Fox news is a joke. CNN sucks ass. I check up on the local news at least once a day. For world news though, I generally look online, because at least then I can always look at another site to see if the stories are the same, or if someone's showing a bit more bias than someone else.
 
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I get my news from NPR and the local Newspaper.

I only reason get it from NPR because that's also the Classical Music station, and so I hear it while waiting for Classical Music.
 
You know there's an issue with your standards when you wonder why Beiber is news worthy but you get your news from a British hack comedian who gets his views bashing or belittling people.

Kinda like Buzzfeed!

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You know there's an issue with your standards when you wonder why Beiber is news worthy but you get your news from a British hack comedian.

Considering that you're voting for Trump, please excuse me for not taking your opinion on people seriously. Not being mean, but....yeah....
 
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Considering that you're voting for Trump, please excuse me for not taking your opinion on people seriously. Not being mean, but....yeah....
Considering you're supposed to be a community volunteer and a model for the community yet you're so quick to immediately disregard someone simply based on their political affiliations and alienate someone on that alone..

Yeeaaah...
 
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Considering you're supposed to be a community volunteer and a model for the community yet you're so quick to immediately disregard someone simply based on their political affiliations and alienate someone on that alone..

Yeeaaah...
I disregarded your opinion of a person. Your opinion isn't going to get me to change my mind about someone, the same way that my opinion isn't going to hold any sway on you. The fact that Trump has made numerous comments about John Oliver in the past has a lot to do with it. You're entitled to your opinion. I never said it was wrong, I just said I couldn't take it seriously. Refer back to my previous statement about Trump. -.-
 
A couple weeks back I watched CNN debate the need for math classes in high school. It was both enlightening and terrifying.
 
>Justin Bieber gets into coloring


>Nydanna and Windsong are throwing personal attacks at each other


Well, that was quite a leap from point A to point B! *tugs shirt collar nervously*
 
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Don't look at me for this. I didn't mention Trump, just some shitty comedian that people believe is something other than satire.
 
Why? Because our society is obsessed with fame for the sake of fame. Talent is only the means of becoming famous, and many will take any "shortcut" to become famous. This feeds back the other way. It makes it so all these people with aspirations they to be frank, will never reach, obsess over those who may have reached it. With societies obsession over who is and who is not in, who is a hasbeen and who is the star to follow, everything you do as a person in the limelight, echoes out into Media in some way or another.
 
Don't look at me for this. I didn't mention Trump, just some shitty comedian that people believe is something other than satire.
Real talk. You go into most threads like this (Someone of less right leaning then you asking about something or another thing dealing with our society, or making some progressive argument) with a antagonistic, contrarian tone Windsong. In this case. You see someone mention John Oliver. You directly have to state your opinion and aim it directly at the people who enjoys his stuff. Directly questioning why Nydanna makes a comment regarding beiber being newsworthy, when you consider John a hack. At this point, you have engaged her and others who are tied to the conversation. At this point one SHOULD look at you. The wording was pointed, antagonistic and clearly there to call for a reaction.

You gonna get under peoples skin doing that, and then this happen. In this matter, you set the tone for a confrontation. The rest is escalation, using your own kind of language back at you.

You try to undermine Nydanna or make fun over the fact she listens to John Oliver. She points out that your views and ideological ties to Trumps platform makes her not wanna listen to what you have to say.

It ain't pretty. But it is what it is. You aren't clean in this.
 
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Real talk. You go into most threads with a antagonistic, contrarian tone Windsong. In this case. You see someone mention John Oliver. You directly have to state your opinion and aim it directly at the people who enjoys his stuff. Directly questioning why Nydanna makes a comment regarding beiber being newsworthy, when you consider John a hack. The wording was pointed, antagonistic and clearly there to call for a reaction.

You gonna get under peoples skin doing that, and then this happen. In this matter, you set the tone for a confrontation. The rest is escalation, using your own kind of language back at you.
If I had better communication skills and the time or care to do so, I'd probably have a long winded couple of paragraphs pointing out how some of it I agree with and some I don't.

So I'll just agree and say it's not intentional to come off like that. It's just how I write in these things.
 
Real Talk: I don't think putting all of one's faith in John Oliver is particularly wise either, though for entirely different reasons than Windsong. So let me try to recover this thread as a moderate middle man, if that's acceptable. Okay? Okay.

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On the one hand? I'm impressed with stuff like this (did a good job pointing out specific places and specific bills that you can look up yourself), or this (where the complete lunacy of tax exemption and lack of investigation for all religious causes rears its ugly head). Then again, I don't really agree with him on stuff like this (where he's just being plainly disingenuous about Canadian politics) or this (where he cites one case of discrimination as though it can disprove tens of thousands of living examples defying it).

You know John Oliver's gun free paradise, Australia? The report that really kicked his career into high gear? Well, erm...
  • Australia has 50% more acts of bribery.
  • Has three times the rape rate of the US.
  • Has twice as many burglaries as the US.
  • Has twice as many robbery victims as the US.
It also has more car thefts (63%), has a 3-7% higher suicide rate between the ages of 15-64, has 39% more property crime...

Hell, let's dismiss this source entirely and only use strictly government stats from the government site itself. When were firearms mostly banned? 1996. What happened to the crime rate? It spiked, according to Australia's crime statistics bureau itself. Assault? Has kept climbing until 2007. Robbery? Climbed after 1996 and didn't start dropping until 2002.

When people had their guns taken away, they resorted to using other tools to get the job done, or simply purchased firearms in the black market. I mean, after all, they have at least 260,000 guns you can casually buy from the black market. This flies completely in the face of what John Oliver reported. Whoop de fucking doo, indeed.

Hell, John Oliver says it himself: "I'm not a journalist, I'm a comedian."

He's a human being with human flaws. He's perfectly fallible and his first objective is to entertain you, one way or another. He's not under any kind of oath to distribute the truth to you, or facts. He's merely employed to make you laugh. Which is fine, because, hey: I like John Oliver too. I think he's a hilarious comedian. I think he's got some serious fucking balls to do some of the things he does. (Flying to Russia to interview a guy wanted by the FBI is pretty fucking radical.) But he's blatantly politically biased. Has he run any piece making fun of Caitlyn Jenner for running people down in her car? No. That took South Park doing it. Has he mocked Bernie Sanders for his 15 dollar federal minimum wage that would tank the value of the American dollar to something more akin to the fucking Zimbabwe dollar? No. Because he's politically aligned to Bernie Sanders. Has he made fun of Hillary Clinton for lying through her teeth about landing under gunfire? No. He's politically aligned to her too. Has he made fun of Justin Trudaeu for talking repeatedly about the bravery and strength of Canadian women facing adversity whilst completely ignoring the plight of thousands of women being raped in the middle east every day, and abandoning them to their fate via deciding to pull out as much of Canada's military as he reasonably could?

No.

Has he made fun of the NDP for supporting the LEAP Manifesto, which calls for the democratization of energy whilst somehow magically also having it not be owned by either the state or private interests?

No.

And he doesn't have to.

He's a hilarious comedian, but if you seriously only get your news from him, you're doing yourself a massive disservice. Your life can only be enriched by taking in more world views than that of a single comedian, no matter how hilarious. As much as I love John Oliver, there is a lot more to the world than just his jokes about it. Have you ever noticed that the smartest people will decry how we fight among each other and segregate into camps based on a variety of qualities? What did we just do here? Did we seriously just start attacking each other based on who we're voting for? Have we gone so far beyond the pale that if someone, so much as supports a political candidate we disdain, that we'll turn rabid on them and attack them on a personal level? As though a person's political preferences somehow render all of their other opinions on all other subject matters as irrelevant, and morally wrong? Should we start setting up camps for the people we disagree with, to ensure they can't bother us with their inferior minds?

Stop. Take a step back. Let's reevaluate what we're doing. We should all work together and use our variety of mindsets to further enrich each other's views of the world. I don't have to agree with Windsong about his political choices--I would not vote for Trump, he's pretty much the polar opposite of what I want out of a leader of a country. That does not, however, justify me attacking Windsong at a personal level. Nor would it justify him attacking me at a personal level if I were to mention that I would probably support Bernie Sanders. (Yes, the guy I just criticized.)

Let's not let the establishment turn us on each other. John Oliver didn't cure cancer: He makes jokes about politics, and occasionally makes statements from his politically biased position. I do the same: I'm a socialist. So whenever I criticize capitalism, I will always have that lingering political bias, no matter how smart I am. I'm an atheist, I'll have a lingering bias when talking about Christianity. Which is why when I have questions, I sometimes ask my dad (who is an ardent capitalist) or Christian friends I have about what they think. Because I don't have the Christian mindset: It might have ideas I never thought of trying or using before. (Faith.) Capitalism might have a solution to a problem my socialist theories didn't account for. (Free marketplace of ideas.)

We're all decent people here. Let's all agree to a cease fire. Does that sound okay?

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Real Talk: I don't think putting all of one's faith in John Oliver is particularly wise either, though for entirely different reasons than Windsong. So let me try to recover this thread as a moderate middle man, if that's acceptable. Okay? Okay.

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On the one hand? I'm impressed with stuff like this (did a good job pointing out specific places and specific bills that you can look up yourself), or this (where the complete lunacy of tax exemption and lack of investigation for all religious causes rears its ugly head). Then again, I don't really agree with him on stuff like this (where he's just being plainly disingenuous about Canadian politics) or this (where he cites one case of discrimination as though it can disprove tens of thousands of living examples defying it).

You know John Oliver's gun free paradise, Australia? The report that really kicked his career into high gear? Well, erm...
  • Australia has 50% more acts of bribery.
  • Has three times the rape rate of the US.
  • Has twice as many burglaries as the US.
  • Has twice as many robbery victims as the US.
It also has more car thefts (63%), has a 3-7% higher suicide rate between the ages of 15-64, has 39% more property crime...

Hell, let's dismiss this source entirely and only use strictly government stats from the government site itself. When were firearms mostly banned? 1996. What happened to the crime rate? It spiked, according to Australia's crime statistics bureau itself. Assault? Has kept climbing until 2007. Robbery? Climbed after 1996 and didn't start dropping until 2002.

When people had their guns taken away, they resorted to using other tools to get the job done, or simply purchased firearms in the black market. I mean, after all, they have at least 260,000 guns you can casually buy from the black market. This flies completely in the face of what John Oliver reported. Whoop de fucking doo, indeed.

Hell, John Oliver says it himself: "I'm not a journalist, I'm a comedian."

He's a human being with human flaws. He's perfectly fallible and his first objective is to entertain you, one way or another. He's not under any kind of oath to distribute the truth to you, or facts. He's merely employed to make you laugh. Which is fine, because, hey: I like John Oliver too. I think he's a hilarious comedian. I think he's got some serious fucking balls to do some of the things he does. (Flying to Russia to interview a guy wanted by the FBI is pretty fucking radical.) But he's blatantly politically biased. Has he run any piece making fun of Caitlyn Jenner for running people down in her car? No. That took South Park doing it. Has he mocked Bernie Sanders for his 15 dollar federal minimum wage that would tank the value of the American dollar to something more akin to the fucking Zimbabwe dollar? No. Because he's politically aligned to Bernie Sanders. Has he made fun of Hillary Clinton for lying through her teeth about landing under gunfire? No. He's politically aligned to her too. Has he made fun of Justin Trudaeu for talking repeatedly about the bravery and strength of Canadian women facing adversity whilst completely ignoring the plight of thousands of women being raped in the middle east every day, and abandoning them to their fate via deciding to pull out as much of Canada's military as he reasonably could?

No.

Has he made fun of the NDP for supporting the LEAP Manifesto, which calls for the democratization of energy whilst somehow magically also having it not be owned by either the state or private interests?

No.

And he doesn't have to.

He's a hilarious comedian, but if you seriously only get your news from him, you're doing yourself a massive disservice. Your life can only be enriched by taking in more world views than that of a single comedian, no matter how hilarious. As much as I love John Oliver, there is a lot more to the world than just his jokes about it. Have you ever noticed that the smartest people will decry how we fight among each other and segregate into camps based on a variety of qualities? What did we just do here? Did we seriously just start attacking each other based on who we're voting for? Have we gone so far beyond the pale that if someone, so much as supports a political candidate we disdain, that we'll turn rabid on them and attack them on a personal level? As though a person's political preferences somehow render all of their other opinions on all other subject matters as irrelevant, and morally wrong? Should we start setting up camps for the people we disagree with, to ensure they can't bother us with their inferior minds?

Stop. Take a step back. Let's reevaluate what we're doing. We should all work together and use our variety of mindsets to further enrich each other's views of the world. I don't have to agree with Windsong about his political choices--I would not vote for Trump, he's pretty much the polar opposite of what I want out of a leader of a country. That does not, however, justify me attacking Windsong at a personal level. Nor would it justify him attacking me at a personal level if I were to mention that I would probably support Bernie Sanders. (Yes, the guy I just criticized.)

Let's not let the establishment turn us on each other. John Oliver didn't cure cancer: He makes jokes about politics, and occasionally makes statements from his politically biased position. I do the same: I'm a socialist. So whenever I criticize capitalism, I will always have that lingering political bias, no matter how smart I am. I'm an atheist, I'll have a lingering bias when talking about Christianity. Which is why when I have questions, I sometimes ask my dad (who is an ardent capitalist) or Christian friends I have about what they think. Because I don't have the Christian mindset: It might have ideas I never thought of trying or using before. (Faith.) Capitalism might have a solution to a problem my socialist theories didn't account for. (Free marketplace of ideas.)

We're all decent people here. Let's all agree to a cease fire. Does that sound okay?

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Fantastic. That's one thing that really needs to be addressed is how terrible bipartisanship can be when it begins to mean judging and discounting what your fellow man has to say because he voted for a different man than you did. You may disagree on who to vote for, and even feel really strongly about different positions, but at the end of the day the guy next door who voted for a candidate you hate is still the same guy who would help you shovel your drive way if he sees you struggling, says hello every time he sees you, and a dozen other little things that make him somebody you're happy to have in your life.

Far too often, I see people on the internet throw "Liberal" and "Conservative" around like their filthy slurs that say every negative thing you can imagine about a person, as if that person might not have a valid reason for having those beliefs. Apparently political affiliation alone is enough to completely discard another person as worthless, and that's wrong. Perhaps you have 9/10 things in common, but none of that apparently matters compared to the guy you voted for. I think we can all do better than that.

Hell, Windsong, you and I have gotten along just fine over the fairly lengthy time since we met, even doing an RP together and playing games together online. You also like a lot of my posts I have on this site, and that's awesome, but we have VERY different political stances and views and I've seen you argue with others on this site who expressed views that I share. I don't think you're wrong for not agreeing with those views, but imagine how our own relationship would change if you came at me for my political views, or vice versa. Is it really worth potentially kicking the pegs out of everything else we know about each other? I'd like to think it isn't. We're worth so much more than our political opinions.

Maybe we should all start asking ourselves what do we have in common with these people we disagree with, and perhaps, just maybe, it'll make people try to be more tactful. End of the day, we're all people, as flawed and sometimes misinformed as we are, and I know I'm no saint. All I know is the last thing I want to do is make enemies out of people I respect because life's too damn short and I am tired of pointless hatred.

Anyways, that's my two cents. Take it or stuff it in the couch for someone else.

Brovo, what's that first gif from, the WWI movie? I'm mighty intrigued!
 
Curius. I never addressed John Oliver or his points other then to point out it was Windsongs "starting shot". And I know you are reffering atleast partially to me as you used the same opening line as me. Neither did I state for or against. You didn't take the middleman approach. You took the "I'm gonna say I am the middle man, but completely lean on the argument that John isn't a good source" Which, by the way, I don't dispute. John is as you stated, a comedian. He just happen to dig very deep for most of his sourcematerial (Or rather, his substantial amount of highly paid staff does.) Just for the sake of clarity. I merely pointed out that Windsong has a way to do and say things that will cause more heated reactions. And he, graciously, realized that might be the case.

It seemed we had moved past it. When I see a wall of text that basicly say "Here is why John is a bad source". Which, fine, agreeable and well put is still kinda illtimed. There were no need for lengthy intervention post Brovo. Unless you only point was to point out the flaws in Johns format, and political leanings? But Then why talk about a truce or whatever and why directly make a parellel to my post with your first words? Why interject yourself so late to begin with, other then to rekindle the discussion. I am confused.
 
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