Mafia 2.0: Day Thread Game #7

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RULES & ROLES

Overall Policies

Do not discuss the game with other players outside of the in-game PMs and day phase thread, at all. You are free to discuss it with people who are not playing.
Do not edit or delete posts. No, not even to correct typos or to remove double posts. While I know that this is frustrating, it is too easy to cheat otherwise. If the current "hall monitor" (@Shizuochan) or I catch you editing or deleting posts, we will revert your edit or undelete your post.
Do not talk in night chats during the day phase, and vice versa. This should be fairly self-explanatory.

Inactivity

Inactive means no activity in the day thread or responding to night action reminders.
If you are inactive for 1 full cycle, you will receive a warning.
If you are inactive for 2 full cycles, you will be roleblocked.
If you are inactive for 3 full cycles, you will be killed. I will state at the beginning of the discussion phase that you were removed for inactivity. If you have a power role and there are any vanilla team members alive and active, one of them will randomly receive your role.

The game will start with me using a RNG to assign roles to players. I will then PM each player to let them know what their role is and ask them for their first night action if they have one. Once you receive this PM, the game has officially begun.

The game consists of three phases: the night phase, the discussion phase, and the voting phase. The discussion and voting phase are referred to collectively as the day phase. The night phase will take place solely in PMs, while the discussion and voting phases will take place on a public thread. Each phase will be 72 hours long, starting and ending at 5:00 PM MDT. A maximum of two single-day extensions each may be requested for the discussion and voting phases. The discussion phase will also end early if requested. I may also extend or end the day phase if I believe discussion is still active or has ended, respectively. You are still allowed to discuss during the voting phase.

At the start of the night phase, I will PM each person with a night role asking how/if they would like to use their night action. Once the night phase ends, the night actions will resolve and I'll enact any results. For example if person X is killed, then at the end of the night I will inform X that they have been killed, and add/remove them from any PM chats as necessary. Most PMs are between the player and myself only, however some players have the ability to communicate with others at night: if this is the case, it will be stated in their role description.

Next comes the discussion phase. Every discussion phase will begin with me announcing who (if anyone) died the previous night, that it is now the discussion phase, and when the discussion phase will end. In the discussion phase everyone is able to talk about who they think is what role, who they want to lynch, and whatever else may be relevant to the game. I may jump in with rule clarifications if I believe someone is confused about the rules. At the end of the discussion phase, I will announce that the discussion phase is over and that it is now the voting phase, along with when the voting phase will end.

In the voting phase everyone may vote on who they want to lynch. In order to vote you must publicly announce in the day phase thread that you are voting to lynch X player. People are allowed to cancel or change their vote, but keep in mind that you are not allowed to edit or delete posts. If someone is voted on by the majority of players (majority = (Total Living Players/2)+1, rounded down when total players is odd) before the end of the voting phase, then that player will be lynched. I will post announcing that X player has been lynched, state their faction (town, mafia, or neutral), and add or remove people from PMs as necessary. If nobody receives a majority of the vote before the end of the voting phase, I will announce that nobody has been lynched. When either somebody has been lynched or the voting phase ends, I will announce that the voting phase has ended and the night phase has begun. I will also state when the night phase will end.

Any questions people have during the game can be asked in this thread, in the day phase thread if it is currently the day phase, or via PM. I would prefer that you ask any role-related questions via PM to prevent cheating, though this is not strictly necessary.

The game ends once either all the town or all the mafia are dead. Once this happens, the game will end and I will announce the results in the discussion and voting phase thread. The results consist of who won and a complete role list. After the game is over, the discussion and voting phase thread will be archived, and players may discuss their thoughts on the game in this main thread. We will generally start planning the next game and pick the next GM and "hall monitor" at this time.

Mayor: The mayor may reveal themselves anytime during the day phase. After they are revealed, their vote counts as 3 votes.
Detective: The detective may visit one person every night. They learn the faction--town, mafia, or neutral--of the person they visit.
Doctor: The doctor may protect one person from being killed every night. They have two self-heals.
Medium: The medium can communicate with the dead. They will be part of the dead chat. While they can always see the dead chat, they are only allowed to talk to the dead at night. After they die, they will be able to send one message. They may choose who to send this message to at any time. The message will be sent at night.
Lookout: The lookout may visit one person each night. They will see who visits that person. The Lookout has a night chat with the Tracker.
Tracker: The tracker may visit one person each night and see who that person visits. The Tracker has a night chat with the Lookout.
3 normal townies

Mafia and Neutral
2 Mafiosos: The mafia vote on who to kill each night. They may decide who visits the target. If they do not choose, one of them will be randomly picked.
Consort: Mafia-aligned. The consort may visit one person each night. The person they visit can not use their night ability and will be told that they were blocked. If there are no other mafia alive, the Consort becomes a Mafioso.
Executioner: Neutral. The executioner gets a randomized town-aligned target at the beginning of the game. Their goal is to make sure that person is lynched. If their target dies at night, they become a Jester. The Jester's goal is to be lynched. Both the Jester and the Executioner are immune to night kills.
Survivor: Neutral. The survivor's goal is to survive throughout the game. They get three self-heals that they can use at night.
 
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XD If you want, I can actually post what Dipper said... IF that's allowed (I just didn't, cause I'm not sure if quoting the dead is kosher in discussion rounds??)
I'd say it's perfectly fine to post something and claim that it's what a dead player said to you.

@Starlighter But that does bring up an interesting question. Mafia shares the same chat, correct? Is it possibl for mafia to kill/roleblock consort/mafia in this game?
Yes, the mafia may choose to roleblock or kill each other if they wish to do so.
 
@Starlighter But that does bring up an interesting question. Mafia shares the same chat, correct? Is it possibl for mafia to kill/roleblock consort/mafia in this game?
Yeah, that's something I was wondering- is it even possible for the consort to roleblock their own teammates?
Ooh, this is where the deceit and backstabbing comes in? Sweet, cool to be in on the action for once.

Alright, so so far we have:
- Elle J. claiming to be medium claiming Dipper is detective and says Neobendium is maf suspicious
- Neobendium claiming to have been roleblocked, meaning they have a night action and the consort targeted them
- I claimed lookout and is not taking this seriously enough

Lovely, it's like stumbling in the dark.

Ok, for real. I wanna start with Neo. Neo could easily be mafia, either actually roleblocked by the consort to put up a guise, or just claiming to be. The detective being dead is great for the maf, but lookout/tracker can also easily identify maf with a little luck in choosing targets. Therefore, assuming Elle is telling the truth and Dipper wants people to investigate Neo, then they'd want to have an alibi. If they genuinely were roleblocked and have a night action, there's a 2/3 chance they're innocent, which sounds like a good alibi to me.

On the other hand, Elle would have little motive to claim medium if maf, besides to move attention to a target of choice. Though then she could just as easily be executioner. Honestly, that vague and cryptic suggestion from "Dipper" seems too unspecific to be believable, nor something I could hear Dipper say (or read, whatever).

Dipper, of course, could be maf as well. This kind of requires Elle to be medium, unless the actual medium decided to wait somewhat longer, and Elle somehow got the same idea. No, if Dipper indeed is maf, and is lying about Neo, then I have every reason to believe Elle indeed is medium.

Oh, and me? Haha yeah, I won't deny that I might have lied. In the spur of the moment, I wanted some action to happen. I will say this, though. However disorienting to the discussion it might have ended up, I am not maf.
I am also VERY confused about Dipper's rather vague accusation. He doesn't seem like he kind of person to run us in circles.

All I can say at this point to keep myself from getting lynched is this: I was roleblocked last night, and I think it's highly unlikely that anyone would be maf twice in a row. Plus, I don't know if it's even possible for the consort to roleblock their own people. Would that be something they'd even want to waste a move on?
XD If you want, I can actually post what Dipper said... IF that's allowed (I just didn't, cause I'm not sure if quoting the dead is kosher in discussion rounds??) It really was that vague and cryptic and I hate him for it XD
I think if you're allowed to, you should. It could help shed some light on this situation- I still don't really get why he targeted me and said I should be investigated, unless he's just suspicious of me? Dipper being Dipper, I'd think he'd just tell you if he had actual proof that I was mafia.
 
Yes, the mafia may choose to roleblock or kill each other if they wish to do so.
Woah, really? That's...wow. Brutal. Has anyone actually ever done that before?
 
"Alright, so I was detective and chose someone at random to investigate, but the mafia (I'm assuming) killed me on my first night.

Take a good, long look at neobendium. If you don't believe me, convince the tracker/lookout to confirm. Preferably both, because consort will probably try to roleblock one."

That's the quote from Dipper!
 
TBH I'm not entirely convinced that @Elle Joyner isn't outright lying about their role. For all we know, Kimberlyn could've been medium. Also, if @neobendium was roleblocked with a night action, and assuming @IntrusivePenDesperateSword was telling the truth regarding their role, that would make new the.. Tracker?
 
*LOL* I'm just sayin'... it'd be a really weird strategy at this point. Not the craziest thing done by someone in one of these games, but if I were gonna lie, I'd probably have a clearer message from Dipper than that XD
 
"Alright, so I was detective and chose someone at random to investigate, but the mafia (I'm assuming) killed me on my first night.

Take a good, long look at neobendium. If you don't believe me, convince the tracker/lookout to confirm. Preferably both, because consort will probably try to roleblock one."

That's the quote from Dipper!
Weird....if I came up as mafia on his radar, he'd just tell you to kill me, wouldn't he?? I'm so confused...why am I suspicious to him?
TBH I'm not entirely convinced that @Elle Joyner isn't outright lying about their role. For all we know, Kimberlyn could've been medium. Also, if @neobendium was roleblocked with a night action, and assuming @IntrusivePenDesperateSword was telling the truth regarding their role, that would make new the.. Tracker?
All good points. We don't really have any proof that Elle is telling the truth, other than this quote that she says was from Dipper....which I'm still not completely convinced about. For all I know, Elle is Executioner and trying to axe me- which would suck because I was killed early last game and I actually wanna survive this time XD

However, I'm assuming that by "new" you meant "Neo"? Nope, I'm not the Tracker. Not sure where you got that from?
 
*lol* I don't KNOW what Dipper was doing... and I hate him a little right now. If I'm still alive, I can try to ask him for more clarification next time around. TBH it's my first time as Medium, so I have legit no idea how many questions I'm even allowed to ask or how in depth :-P Having Kim in the dead chat might lend a little more information that's actually useful, but Lord knows >_<
 
Yeah, I'll agree to keeping Elle alive at least for another round, to let her get Kimberly's help in explaining herself. Sure, Dipper's vagueness is annoying, but I think it's a little early to lash out at Elle for it.
 
Woah, really? That's...wow. Brutal. Has anyone actually ever done that before?
Nope, there hasn't been an instance of the mafia killing their own in any past games. I wouldn't know about roleblocking though, since the Consort has only existed since last game and I didn't run it.
 
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Yeah, I'll agree to keeping Elle alive at least for another round, to let her get Kimberly's help in explaining herself. Sure, Dipper's vagueness is annoying, but I think it's a little early to lash out at Elle for it.
Agreed. Did anyone ever mention lynching Elle, though?

And now, a question for everybody: What are we thinking of doing for the voting phase? As of right now, I'm planning on abstaining- I don't have any clear ideas on who could be mafia.
 
I'm likely abstaining as well, if only cause I'm SO confused ;_;
 
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Oh wow, there's a lot here. I'll try to get a more in-depth reply out soon, but right now I only have enough energy to hit the main points.

- Neobendium claiming to have been roleblocked, meaning they have a night action and the consort targeted them
Not necessarily--last game I told people they were roleblocked even when they didn't have a night action. I believe @Elle Joyner can confirm this, though I can't remember for certain. @Starlighter would have to confirm if that's how she's running this game.

*LOL* I'm just sayin'... it'd be a really weird strategy at this point. Not the craziest thing done by someone in one of these games, but if I were gonna lie, I'd probably have a clearer message from Dipper than that XD
Actually, if you were going to lie, I find it fully reasonable to have a vague message. That message definitely sounds like Dipper, though. (I'm in an RP with the guy, so I spend quite a bit of time around him).

And about your question about medium--go nuts with questions as long as it's still the night phase. The dead chat is supposed to be exactly that, a chat, and the medium is just an addition to that. I don't know if that makes sense, but even though I'm not Star, I know how medium operates pretty well.

Nope, there hasn't been an instance of the mafia killing their own in any past games. I wouldn't know about roleblocking though, since the Consort has only existed since last game and I didn't run it.
I can confirm there has never been any instance of the mafia roleblocking their own, either.
 
*LOL* Man... if I'd known I could ask a boat load of questions!!

Doctor, plz save meh. ;___;
 
I don't see any benefit that town would receive by having Dipper lie about not being detective. (Aka fake-claiming detective) I also don't see any reason for Mafia to nightkill their own, nor a reason for Elle to lie if she was town.

I think it's highly unlikely that anyone would be maf twice in a row.
This is very close to gambler's fallacy. It holds no merit.
After all, game 1 and game 2, I was a mafia. (looked back at game 2. Geez. I felt myself laughin a lot lol.)
(Side note, wow. This mafia thing has been going on for over a year already. Almost a year since game 2.)
 
I don't see any benefit that town would receive by having Dipper lie about not being detective. (Aka fake-claiming detective) I also don't see any reason for Mafia to nightkill their own, nor a reason for Elle to lie if she was town.


This is very close to gambler's fallacy. It holds no merit.
After all, game 1 and game 2, I was a mafia. (looked back at game 2. Geez. I felt myself laughin a lot lol.)
(Side note, wow. This mafia thing has been going on for over a year already. Almost a year since game 2.)
I'm just saying, it's not a huge chance for me to be maf twice in a row.

The only reason I can think of for why Elle may be lying is that maybe she's Executioner and I'm her target. I don't know. I'm inclined to trust her, especially since no one has countercliamed, but I don't trust Dipper one bit. All I can say is that I'm not mafia. I was roleblocked, and now I'm being targeted by a dead guy...so I'm not sure if Dipper is actually a dead mafia trying a new strategy or if he's just suspicious.

Either way, I hope we can all agree to NOT kill me until we get some actual, concrete answers from Dipper and Kimberlyn.
 
I don't see any benefit that town would receive by having Dipper lie about not being detective. (Aka fake-claiming detective) I also don't see any reason for Mafia to nightkill their own, nor a reason for Elle to lie if she was town.


This is very close to gambler's fallacy. It holds no merit.
After all, game 1 and game 2, I was a mafia. (looked back at game 2. Geez. I felt myself laughin a lot lol.)
(Side note, wow. This mafia thing has been going on for over a year already. Almost a year since game 2.)

You raise some good points.

Considering it now, I think I'm leaning towards investigating neo. I don't see any actual evidence (or anyone claiming they have any) but it would be good if we could mark another person on the side of the angels.

Lookout and/or tracker on neo tonight please?
 
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