PIPS - Discussions (April 2018)

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Welcome to the second part of PIPS!

In this thread, we encourage you to read the entries and answer the discussion questions provided. Feedback and commentary are of course welcome, but remember this was meant to be fun and light. We're here to discuss the themes of the submissions, not to nitpick how they were written :) Please remain polite and if you do provide criticism, make sure it's constructive.

First of all, thank you to everyone who participated! I received a handful of submissions and they were all quite fun! We're definitely going to be back again in August 2018!

Some of the submissions are anonymous -- please respect this request by the writer and do not try to pin it on someone, even if you recognize their writing. There are no winners, but every entry will be featured in a pinned Showcasing thread, along with their entry!

A live reading might happen at the end of the month, more information will be posted if I can make it!


The themes for April's PIPS were:

  • Courage
  • Forgiveness
  • Grief
  • Revenge
  • Redemption
At least two themes were encouraged to be used.


  • In the following tabs you will have the discussion questions, which I highly suggest using! :) You are also free to simply comment on the submissions and say how you feel about them or how they made you feel.


    • Do you feel the themes selected for the poem were identifiable in the submission? If more than one theme, did a theme feel like it was the main one?
    • If a title was provided, did it mean anything in regards to the rest of the poem?
    • In your own words, what do you think the poem meant?
    • Are there any symbols? If so, what did they mean? Do you think they were universal symbols or did they arise from the context of the poem?
    • Did the poem provide an image? If so, what kind of image?
    • Do you feel the form (poetic form, rhyme scheme, line arrangement, etc) influenced how you interpreted the poem? Were they important elements?
    • What was the tone used? Did any words reveal the tone? Is it consistent, or does it change along the way?
    • What heavily connotative words were used? Did you feel any words had unusual or special meanings? If any words or phrases were repeated, why do you think that is?
    • Did you feel like you understood the meaning behind the poem? Were the writer's intentions clear or ambiguous?
    • If you were to read this poem out loud, how would you go about it? In terms of tone, rhythm, etc.
    • What parts of the poem interested or puzzled you the most?



    • Number/letter grades are highly discouraged as they tend to be arbitrary and to vary widely in interpretation. This applies to any form of comparative grading. It is better to use the discussion points from the previous tab for each entry based on its individual merit rather than assigning a grade.
    • Some entries were requested to be anonymous, please respect the writer's decision.
    • Discussions are encouraged to happen between April 23 and May 7, but if you wish to keep talking about the entries once the event is over, the thread should remain available for a few weeks.


Have fun and even if you didn't submit a poem, everyone is encouraged to talk about the entries! :)

Participation Ribbon - Requirements
-Must have submitted a poem
-Must participate in the discussion of the submitted entries.
-->How? By reading every entry and using the discussion questions provided to give your impressions and thoughts about the poems. I'm certainly not asking for a college-level dissertation about the meaning of each poem, but giving your thoughts in more than just a few sentences is what I would consider good enough participation!
-There are no contests and no limit of how many ribbons can be attributed. The more, the merrier!
-You have until the end of May to participate in the discussions. PIPS officially ends at the end of April, but I am definitely willing to let you guys have more time to post your thoughts and such.
-The ribbon will be purely aesthetic, and will be up on your profile for May and June. (So the earlier you participate in the discussions, the longer you'll have it!)


Submissions


By: @Draugvan
Themes: Forgiveness, Redemption


"As above, so below"

Rest amid, the foil shows

Broil in sin, skin, flesh and bone

A bigger fish, a different tone.



Chaos sewn amoung the soil

Reaper follow those who toil.



Where for then art wholly good?

Sordid? War did have a meaning.



Linger to, linger fro.

Bless, forget the wins and woes

Stone knows not intelligent code

A smaller stick, a happy soul.



Scars pass last 'cross broken hearts

Devotion is an awesome task.



Cast down pitchfork, rid of noose and

best-dressed violence, you snappy peers.



Give of alms, give of growth.

Make amends to rotting foes

Stop, share bread, hearth, water - home

Nothing ventured, nothing known.


By: @Jays
Theme: Grief


Love.

My love.

My dead love.

My dead love lives.

My dead love lives in pain.

My dead love lives in pain at your thoughtlessness.

My dead love lives in pain at your thoughtlessness, carefree, aloof, indifferent to a yearning broken heart that never trusted itself to love again.

Your broken heart yearns to love, to care, to revive pained dead loves and restore their faith.

Your broken heart yearns to love and restore faith.

Your broken heart yearns.

Your broken heart.

Broken heart.

Broken.


By: @neobendium
Themes: Forgiveness, Revenge
Poetic form: Diamond


[bg=gray]Forgiveness
Peaceful, soft,
Laughing, smiling, keeping,
Apology, happiness, oath, blood,
Screaming, crying, losing,
Angry, hard,
Revenge[/bg]


By: @Ananfal
Theme: Grief, Forgiveness, Redemption
Poetic form: Trochaic Octameter


Dark is the night that comes so quick, with fog that comes from clouds packed thick.
Eyes get lost in shadows - a trick! It's best not to look too hard.
Velvet blackness dense and chilléd, your heart clenching, your soul twisted.
"Stop, do not move!" I insisted, but you were not on your guard.
Misstep, mistake, you resisted. Too late - now to a graveyard,
Forever now to be scarred.

Memories that make me depressed, tears fall, fists tight, my mind distressed.
All these emotions are expressed, but I can't do anything.
Helpless, paralyzed in my bed, unable to move - such dread!
Demons feed on my soul, well fed. I just lay there worshipping,
The Lord, My Lord, save me! I pled - Refuge my prayers did not bring.
Nor sight of an angel's wing.

Punishment I know I deserve, by the heaven that I do serve,
Of such horrors that do unnerve even the most faithful man.
But gladly do I take it all, in that red brimstone fiery hall,
For my part in what did befall you - if it was me rather than
One who should never have to fall, then perhaps, if only, I can
Restore your place in God's great plan.


By: @Lovers in Flames
Themes: Forgiveness, Grief
Poetic form: Acrostic


Forgive me daughter for what I have done to you
Order me because I can't forgive you
Right now it's just you and me
Get me out of here, I need to leave
I love you
Victim, that is what I am for you
Everyday I help you

My life was destroyed by you
Enjoyed the smell of your skin on my lips

Father forgive me, I have sin
Another day without you is hell
To me you are dead
Hell is what I will make life for you
Everyday I sink farther and farther in
Right now I need you

Forget me for I am disappearing
Only with me, you are something
Revenge is what I seek

I am never letting you go

Help me
Anywhere you go I will be there
Vengeance is what I will get
Everything I did, I did out of love

Save me from this hell
I love you
No, I hate you...


By: @Makomin
Themes: Courage, Grief
Poetic form: Narrative


A young woman once told me a sad tale,
Of a pair of lovers with an ending so frail.

She told with such passion in her tone and eyes,
Of how much she would pay to buy back some more time.

Not all stories started with grief, she said,
Only the ones that were brief and ready-made.

The months were passing by so fast and swift,
We didn't even notice the gather of snow on the mountain's peak,
We used to laugh so hard at each other's jokes that people would say "Look at those country folk.",
I used to hug him so tight when I felt cold,
We'd just sit there and look at the stars until fatigue took a grand toll.

He'd tell me "I love you.",
While I replied "I love you more.",
But he'd always win by saying "I love you the most.",
I remembered him bending one one knee saying,
"I'll marry you when I come back soon,
Even if I have to wait for the moon to fall.
I'd kiss you till' my lips are raw,
Until the quizzed-looking children would say, "I take back what I just saw.".
And the most important thing I'd do is, "Wait for you till' I've turned to stone.".

It was time for him board the train,
She kissed him one last time and it started to rain.

They would exchange letters each and every day,
She'd seal every envelope with a kiss and say, "Hopefully you'll come back before May.".

But after a year, he'd stop replying her mail,
She'd thought he'd found someone less pale.

The weeks past by her with tissues and tears,
She'd finally gotten a reply with such urgency and fear.

She'd read the letter aloud with sighs,
"Dear child, I'm sorry to tell you this but,
Your lover was taken away,
By the choir of angels,
To a place of paradise with God and his house so gaily.
I wish I would bring him back to you,
But a proper goodbye is all I can do.".

The woman stopped at the end of her tale,
With brown eyes that looked so young yet old,
Saying love is strong and bold,
But be careful not to give too much away,
Or you'll end up like the girl in the story I've just told.


By: @Auphe
Themes: Grief, Revenge
Poetic form: Limerick


There once was a girl, sobbing in grief.
Alone at a grave, searching for relief.
She had to get revenge,
But who would she avenge?
All that lay dead was a leaf.


By: @RJS
Themes: Courage, Forgiveness
Poetic form: Acrostic


It's time to stand

Demonstrate to my demons
Even though they eviscerated my
Self-esteem and shrank my
Ego. It's time to show them I'm
Ready. To take that
Very hard first step, maybe
Even the hardest I ever took.

Time to look at myself and say "It's
OK to feel this way."

Blaming myself made me make me
Even worse than I was.

Here I am.
Acceptance? Not yet.
Perhaps it will come.
Perhaps not.
Yet I'll keep trying.


By: Anonymous
Themes: Grief, Forgiveness


It hurts.
It is excruciating.
Why are you with him?
I have been by your side the entire time.
Why are you leaving me?
"What's wrong?" You ask.
I can't answer you.
I never dared to tell you.
"It's nothing." I smile.
It's everything.
Why are you leaving me?
Why can I not be the one?
Why can't you pick me?
"Well, you know you can tell me, right?"
"Of course--" I can't tell you.
I'm protecting you, from these horrible feelings of mine.
This indescribable feeling of wanting to monopolize you.
If I told you, you would leave, right?
Run away, while you still could.
I only need you.
I need you to stay by my side, no matter what.
Why do you need them?
"Oh! Have you met yet?"
No. Please, don't introduce us. I beg you.
"You have to greet each other! You're my best friend after all,"
Don't smile, don't talk about them in such a happy tone.
"I can't wait--" to see the thief who took what is mine.
Forgive me, for not having the courage to tell you.
Forgive me, for not being the one.
Forgive me, for lacking.
Forgive me; I'll still stay by your side.
I'll keep on being your forever not-enough.


By: @Taska Vilna
Themes: Grief, Redemption


ANIMAL BABIES


Blood blessed sheets scrape skin

Bones shiver, shake, shear, tear apart, intertwine

Interlocked limbs bellow noise raw

Scream pleasure pure, paw

Claw digs, eats, flesh simmers skin, sucks blood

Grind. Filthy. Fresh. Soft body falll.


By: @SkittlesAndSpike
Themes: Revenge, Forgiveness
Poetic form: Sonnet


Revenge, a flame that burns hot in the heart,
It consumes every thought in its blaze,
It is a pain of which one cannot part,
And continues to burn for many days.

Those afflicted seek righteous, cruel justice,
Attempting to smother the fire within,
But cruel justice often leaves one corrupted,
The fire burns hottest after one begins.

For a fiery heart, the best solution,
For both the victim and the offender,
is to douse the flames in cold ablution,
The wash, though tough, is something better.

Forgiveness snuffs out the fire with ease,
And leaves the mind and heart resting at peace.


By: @Quincunx
Themes: Forgiveness, Courage


Enclose me with salt and peony petals
Place me before the altar
Or in the darkness of the booth
It's been so long since I've done this
How do we begin

Do you speak in Latin
"ego te absolvo"
Do I retch my tar-black loathing
"burn my id"
Does my skin crystallize and shatter
"take me, halimeda"

Halite incandescent beneath the lights
Can it light me up like a witch
Or refract through the isometrics
Unfeeling photons
A girl lost feeling in her hands her face her lungs
Sprout flowers from them

And when I am a garden on fire
My nerves will awaken as if it was only a dream
And the world will return to focus from static storm
"I forgive you for pretending"
"I forgive you for your mistakes"
"I forgive you for when you could not tell the difference"

Ashes will know
Stripping away my skin


By: Anonymous
Themes: Courage, Forgiveness, Grief


Empty letters
And words amiss
Please forgive
To my great grief
Nothing better
But this brief
Remiss


By: @HerziQuerzi
Themes: Courage, Forgiveness
Poetic form: Acrostic


In tempered seas of tempered life
Foes abound and cull the light
On hands and knees I withstand strife
Regret for those with heartwood might

Give me time for it to cease
I'll expose my heart and let blows hail
Vitality wavers by piece by piece
Eventually the bated breath will exhale

The hard times pass and knees unbend
Hands grip mine and sorrow quails
Every wound will scar then mend
My heart grows stronger and prevails


By: @Greenie
Themes: Revenge, Grief


Alone she stands beneath dawn's sky
Sword still in hand
Red and dripping like an exquisite wine
Dirt and blood decorating her person
Vengeance was finally hers
Her army a tsunami
Her enemies the thrashing fish
Destruction incarnate
Alone she falls to the ashened ground
Tears nurturing her pain
Heart forced to change
Mirroring his instead
If only for a moment
Her family now avenged
Her brother sent to hell
The burden still remained


By: @RiverNotch
Themes: Grief, Redemption


1
It does not, it cannot, begin with two.
The breath emanates. The soul,
diabolic, whores itself to the world.
The senses tense up.

God's contraction,
a game of chicken.
We were broken
like a stick of cherry wood

picked for kindling.

2
Now we're a tent, dry grass
beneath our mesh of fingers.
Sparks fly. Something surges
but I cannot name it.

Our arms crease.
Our necks crack.
Our guts spill.
Our legs snap.

A chestnut log pounds us into dust.

3
I never lusted after you:
that was never the issue.
Perhaps we met prematurely,
perhaps I jumped the gun.

No, there was no issue.
Nothing happened between us.
I felt, I remember --
now there's an issue.

Now we're hanging from a bridge.

4
It begins with two: two spots
of light, two bodies
under an arch. He passes
a ring to her, she pays with fruit.

The lights
will meet again.
Eventually. The bodies
are not so lucky,

but do not mistake a beginning for an end.
 
Wow that's a lot more submissions than I was expecting
 
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So many submissions :D I'm happy to read em all
 
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Im excited to read them all tomorrow morning. They all seem awesome!
 
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My poetic style isn't listed, which is fair as it has an absurd name, but it's basically the same style as Edgar Allen Poe's The Raven, which is honestly one of my most favorite poems ever and is something I could never hope to compare myself to, but I hope at least I've made a good showing.

I swear to all the gods that I will get some reviews up for these poems, or die trying. (Hopefully not the latter...)
 
My poetic style isn't listed, which is fair as it has an absurd name, but it's basically the same style as Edgar Allen Poe's The Raven, which is honestly one of my most favorite poems ever and is something I could never hope to compare myself to, but I hope at least I've made a good showing.

I swear to all the gods that I will get some reviews up for these poems, or die trying. (Hopefully not the latter...)
I'm sorry, I missed it! I added it in now.
 
I'm sorry, I missed it! I added it in now.
Oh I didn't mean to sound rude! I honestly didn't mind, as I doubted many people would even recognize the name (my writing teacher didn't, after all) so I just wanted to let people know that it was real! Sorry!
 
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Wow, my last minute was that last minute!

Just for fun, here's my original submission. I decided to change it because it was too subtle in its relationship to the prompts, and it references places I suspect about 95% of the audience wouldn't get. It is, however, tied to my current submission: being National Poetry Month in certain circles, I've had to write a poem a day for the past three weeks, and I'll probably post all of them in The Workshop.

The End of History


John's standing next to a fruit stand, the one by the Caltex at Fairview, waiting for a jeep to take him home. Annie's there too, fresh from the Manila bus, about to board a tricycle. She sees him. They haven't met each other in three years: a pleasant surprise.

John! Annie runs up to him. They hug.

Anna! Or....Annie? I don't know what to call you now.

John's iPhone is plugged into the car radio, playing St. Vincent's latest album. His dad's driving. Annie's in the backseat, alone, pressed between the door and a stack of boxes.

Oh right -- you knew me before I was called Annie. Don't worry, you can call me whatever you want.

The car passes by Ortigas.

We do have quite the history together, he recalls. I still like you, you know. I never stopped liking you. I can't imagine a future where we won't ever meet again.

They stop. To the right, NAIA Terminal 3, with scores of people lined up at the entrance. To the left, the Manila Marriott, the Shrine of Saint Therese, and a parking lot. John steps out of the driver's seat and unlocks the trunk.

Annie grabs her stuff. Me neither. But I can't believe, of all my friends, you're the only one left to drive me here. Don't you have any plans to go abroad?

To follow you, perhaps. They laugh.

John doesn't know what album to switch to, for the long and lonely drive back home. Annie takes a Stilnox once she's boarded. The airplane takes off after the usual hour-long delay. John spends an hour waiting in traffic: half at EDSA, half near Fairview.

When Annie wakes up, she's in Manila again. She thinks time's not touched the place one bit, for better or for worse. She hails a cab.
 
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My poetic style isn't listed, which is fair as it has an absurd name, but it's basically the same style as Edgar Allen Poe's The Raven, which is honestly one of my most favorite poems ever and is something I could never hope to compare myself to, but I hope at least I've made a good showing.

I swear to all the gods that I will get some reviews up for these poems, or die trying. (Hopefully not the latter...)

Next time you read Poe's Raven, read it to the rhythm of White Stripes Icky Thump or Rag and Bone.
 
Hey, it's up! :D

I...have a friend over, currently, but I will hopefully be getting discussion questions and answers up sometime next week. It looks like you all did amazing!
 
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Opposites Conflict-
  • Do you feel the themes selected for the poem were identifiable in the submission?
Very much so. In a way there were a lot of corresponding ideas and Neo picked two that were perfect with each other.
  • If a title was provided, did it mean anything in regards to the rest of the poem?
It did. The title helped clarify the meaning behind the poem itself. While poetry, like most art, the meaning can be heavily influenced by the reader, so putting 'Opposites Conflict' really allowed for Neo to lead me where they wanted me, thinking wise.
  • In your own words, what do you think the poem meant?
To me the poem was all about the two different reactions that can come about when something awful happens. When I was initially flipping through all of the entries, I read it as someone going from forgiveness and revenge, but now that I have taken more time it seems more like a fork in the road. Which way do you go?
  • Other Stuff
I really loved the colors and how they correlated to the words that were being used. Sticking to a blue scale was definitely the right choice as well. Even though it is technically a 'cool' color, the power behind the darker shades of blue give the power to the blows the words themselves are dishing out. My only criticism of the whole poem has to do with the color. I think a different shade would have been a better fit as it makes some of the words harder to read due to their color. "happiness, oath," in particular get lost in the middle.

I loved the flow of the words and the choice of words. They are strong and stand up on their own without having to be explained. They are also on topic when it comes to the 'starting' or 'ending' words.

"Happiness" being the 'middle' word of the entire poem made me shiver when I chanted it out loud. I am in absolute agreement with that sentiment because so many different people find happiness in so many different things and there are people who find happiness in both 'sides' of this poem. It's soooo good. Thank you for submitting this!
 
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  • Do you feel the themes selected for the poem were identifiable in the submission?
I wouldn't have known 'courage' was in the poem if I hadn't read the theme section above, but that wasn't a bad thing. It made me think about it more, contemplate how it must have taken courage to write the letter in the first place, let alone send it to someone who made them feel that way. To be perfectly honest, 'Courage' would have been an amazing title for the poem instead of Untitled.

  • In your own words, what do you think the poem meant?
To me the poem meant the struggles of reaching out when you're suffering. Be it from a mental illness or just raw, overwhelming emotions. Especially, as the poem indicates, the 'writer' of the letter might have wronged, or felt they've wronged, the receiver in some way and is asking to forgive them and end their grief. Very powerful stuff.

  • Other Stuff
When I was reading the poem out loud, I finished the last line with a sigh. The ending felt final, a period and an invisible 'End'. I really liked it. I do like poems that leave me with questions, but I love them a lot more when they wrap up nicely, like a tiny little story.

I also find the flow to be smooth and elegant to read. Both mentally and verbally. Mostly I feel like I see a lot of myself in this poem. How often have I shifted uncomfortable and gripped my pen tightly while I was trying to write something to someone like this? The agony of getting your feelings out on a page without sounding like you're a bumbling idiot or trying to compose a sonnet to get the most attention from whoever you're trying to speak to. Until finally, you finish with your last line, drop your pen with a sigh, and let it happen as it will.

Beautiful job in capturing those feelings in just seven lines. Really.

"Strumming my pain with his fingers... Singing my life with his words..."
 
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RiverNotch's Capsule Reviews! Part One

For Folly's Sake

The lack of punctuation stands out. In my mind, it's also a lack of polish for a free verse piece to capitalize the start of its lines, as it's a practice modern publishing techniques have obsolesced. Of course, this isn't exactly free verse, but that's another lack of polish -- it comes close, though, and I understand very well the difficulties of keeping in time.

What caught my attention at first is that first line -- a mark of critical bias, on my part, as I'm often drawn (when critiquing) to pieces similar to my own. That said, reading on, I feel a bit of unease as to its use. "As above, so below" is an alchemical motto for how things on earth reflect things in heaven, and vice versa -- as such, say, the pre-enlightenment belief in astrology as something actually predictive, rather than psychological. It evokes a sort of Platonic optimism that does not fit well with the chaos evoked by the rest of the stanza, or even by the whole first half of the piece.

Also, lines 7 and 15 are especially bothersome. 7 should be "Wherefore", not "Where for", and even then, it's such a common phrase in renaissance literature that I can't be sure what it actually alludes to. As for 15, "and" really should be in the next line: it's the only line that, with "and", ends with an unstressed syllable, and "noose" makes for a far more evocative ending.

Overall, it doesn't really say much of anything that we haven't heard before (no war please -- and without even the benefit of specificity), nor does it evoke any strong feelings.

Helpless

Since the poem is mostly the same set of words repeated, I don't have much to say on what it says -- not unless I'm forced into some high level of bullshit. It fits with its stated theme, "grief", and there's a sense of a lack of forgiveness. The two central lines, the ones that by virtue of their length (but not of their blandness) feel Whitmanian, seem so knowledgeable of this "you" that I think this is a dialogue of the speaker with himself. But like I said, aside from the relative novelty of its form, there's not much to dissect here -- I think you could make the situation of the middle lines more evocative by, say, leaning in on that shadowy allusion to Orpheus.

Opposites Conflict

"Conflict" is a very feckless term, compared to its supposed subversion "Attract", especially since it can also be construed as a noun.

Hey, the first official use of a not-free-verse form! Appreciated, if not for the changing font colors automatically marking it out as gimmicky, not to mention the gimmick itself making it hard to read. And then, if you take away the gimmick, what do you get? Logic and a possible allusion to cosmology, sure but with all of the words being relatively commonplace in the world, not only of poetry, but also of pop song....

Still, I like this one. The absurd reading I've adopted for this (ie, possible allusion to cosmology) can work with the gimmick, plus I'm a sucker for form.

Regrets and Reparations

Unfortunately, in this case the use of form is not as effective. The form is used far too inconsistently, lacking the thumping rhythm proper trochaic evokes. The use of octameter is also a little questionable, as even hexameter can get boring.

As for meat, the memories we start with are recalled with so little specific detail that the drama of the rest of the poem doesn't feel engaging -- only "Stop, don't move!" has a hint of the police brutality I can only assume this is about. I'm not even sure as to the nature of the victim, such that I can't agree with the speaker that the victim was "one who should never have to fall", and the final bit of drama falls flat.

Forgive Me Father For I Have Sin

It's just the obsessive in me, don't worry, that screams:
WHERE ARE THE LAST THREE LINES?

The colors, here, at least serve a purpose -- they're to mark the two speakers of the poem. That first line is a little annoying in terms of being a clever-seeming subversion, but then that second line makes the counterpoint seem like something worth reading.

Is it, though? There are hints, here and there: hints of color ("Right now it's just you and me", "Enjoyed the smell of your skin on my lips"), hints of strong emotion (not the forced outbursts of the daughter, but that strong second line, as well as "Victim: that is what I am to you" and "Everyday I sink farther and farther in"). The hints are obscured, however, by what I term to be "forced outbursts" -- "I love you/I hate you", "To me you are dead", every mention of "hell" -- as well as thrown-in-themes that simply don't connect ("Vengeance" for what? As creepy as the relationship between the father and daughter here is, the daughter never acknowledges it at the same level. The father insinuates something incestuous, but the only crime the daughter ever accuses her father of committing is turning her into a victim, which could mean a victim of anything, not just her father).

Overall, it comes close, but it still needs a good deal of polish: my read is that this is a metaphor for a young woman losing her faith, so maybe focus on that some more?

A Lover's Sorrow

"Narrative" is not a form -- form typically relates to the structure of words, not to how explicit a poem's plotting is. And yes, explicit, not present -- all poems have narratives, with the ultimate question being whether the focus is on the events (aka, the genre, not form, of Epic Poetry), the character interactions (aka, Dramatic Poetry), or all the other things but the former two (aka, Lyric Poetry). Of course, those genres often have overlap, but the point is Narrative Poetry is a genre, not a form: the form of this piece is good new-fangled free verse.

Now I would focus more on the form, but that being less the focus: I kind of wish there was more to it. The form, I mean. The narrative could be as cliched as you want it to be (and the classic lyric poems often were: I'm celebrating love, I'm mourning death, etc), and, in this case, it is, but the cliche would be overridden by the skill of the word use, the force of the speaker's personality, the vividness of the images (and by vividness, in this case, I mean their being more novel), and, at the very least, some self-awareness regarding it all. There isn't even a sense of sublime wisdom behind the manner by which the storytelling young woman took in all these images, no hint that her sorrow for lost love means sorrow for something more -- and that last letter, with its tone being just as airy as the rest of the piece, feels more like a joke than anything else (I suspect that the letter is so unofficial because He wrote it himself, implying that He'd grown up and out of loving the girl, but I feel like that's a reading the text doesn't actually support).

Empathy

Hilarious! but one massive nit: meter! Limericks don't work nearly as well if their form isn't nearly as conventional. "there ONCE was a GIRL, SOBbing in GRIEF" --- no, no, it should be something like "there ONCE was a GIRL who was SOB(bin')", etc etc. Still, at least the fault is consistent, so it's not too much of a distraction.

Seeking Acceptance

"I deserve to be happy"

Here's a bit of wisdom from an equivalent void: no, it's not OK to feel this way. That's the whole point. Otherwise we wouldn't be even thinking about deserving to be happy. The point is we overcome that feeling, or we change that feeling -- but no, that feeling is not OK, and to feel that way is to have sunk further into that feeling.

That is, unless the feeling is not acedia, but something like forbidden love, which the title seems to point to. In which case, my bad? but then the last stanza confuses that interpretation ("Not yet"? So the speaker has control over how she is accepted by everyone? Or has she not accepted herself yet -- but then, what's the point of "It's not OK to feel this way"?), and there's really nothing else in this piece that shows what that feeling truly is.



I think a recurring theme with these reviews is specificity: ie, for the pieces I think are rather weak, or even for the pieces that I think just lack in polish, their biggest issue is often that, for whatever narrative they seek to convey, there aren't enough details. Yes, the point of lyric poetry is not to tell a story, but to evoke an emotion: the problem is that when you feel something, more often than not the feeling is tied to some little detail, or some humble scheme of details, rather than the general outline of whatever events evoked that feeling.

Now sometimes I argue that a piece is being nonspecific, when in fact the details in the piece are really what happened, but then that's another problem. When I argue that, technically what I mean is that with the way the details are conveyed, they just end up being cliche, and cliche is problematic for the same reason nonspecific is problematic: it's forgettable. It makes what the piece says something we've already heard before, rather than something we need to hear again.

My advice would be to see more, and say more: take in more details of whatever event or set of events it is that evokes your feeling, then, instead of starting with a form in mind, begin with conveying and connecting all those bits of image and voice into one coherent picture or monologue. That, or root the feeling in something else: a central metaphor, perhaps, or a well-characterized narrator. Also, in memorializing details, focus on the nouns, rather than the adjectives and adverbs. Those latter terms are often traps, in that they seem evocative, but once divorced from the nouns they're modifying, they're actually quite meaningless.
 
Opposites Conflict-
  • Do you feel the themes selected for the poem were identifiable in the submission?
Very much so. In a way there were a lot of corresponding ideas and Neo picked two that were perfect with each other.
  • If a title was provided, did it mean anything in regards to the rest of the poem?
It did. The title helped clarify the meaning behind the poem itself. While poetry, like most art, the meaning can be heavily influenced by the reader, so putting 'Opposites Conflict' really allowed for Neo to lead me where they wanted me, thinking wise.
  • In your own words, what do you think the poem meant?
To me the poem was all about the two different reactions that can come about when something awful happens. When I was initially flipping through all of the entries, I read it as someone going from forgiveness and revenge, but now that I have taken more time it seems more like a fork in the road. Which way do you go?
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I really loved the colors and how they correlated to the words that were being used. Sticking to a blue scale was definitely the right choice as well. Even though it is technically a 'cool' color, the power behind the darker shades of blue give the power to the blows the words themselves are dishing out. My only criticism of the whole poem has to do with the color. I think a different shade would have been a better fit as it makes some of the words harder to read due to their color. "happiness, oath," in particular get lost in the middle.

I loved the flow of the words and the choice of words. They are strong and stand up on their own without having to be explained. They are also on topic when it comes to the 'starting' or 'ending' words.

"Happiness" being the 'middle' word of the entire poem made me shiver when I chanted it out loud. I am in absolute agreement with that sentiment because so many different people find happiness in so many different things and there are people who find happiness in both 'sides' of this poem. It's soooo good. Thank you for submitting this!
Someone liked my little diamond?? I'm honestly super flattered. I'm really glad you liked it! :D

I agree that now, as I'm looking at it, I can see how the colors are a bit hard to read at times. Next time I try colors I'll attempt to make them more easily readable.

RiverNotch's Capsule Reviews! Part One

Opposites Conflict

"Conflict" is a very feckless term, compared to its supposed subversion "Attract", especially since it can also be construed as a noun.

Hey, the first official use of a not-free-verse form! Appreciated, if not for the changing font colors automatically marking it out as gimmicky, not to mention the gimmick itself making it hard to read. And then, if you take away the gimmick, what do you get? Logic and a possible allusion to cosmology, sure but with all of the words being relatively commonplace in the world, not only of poetry, but also of pop song....

Still, I like this one. The absurd reading I've adopted for this (ie, possible allusion to cosmology) can work with the gimmick, plus I'm a sucker for form.

Regret and Reparations

Unfortunately, in this case the use of form is not as effective. The form is used far too inconsistently, lacking the thumping rhythm proper trochaic evokes. The use of octameter is also a little questionable, as even hexameter can get boring.

As for meat, the memories we start with are recalled with so little specific detail that the drama of the rest of the poem doesn't feel engaging -- only "Stop, don't move!" has a hint of the police brutality I can only assume this is about. I'm not even sure as to the nature of the victim, such that I can't agree with the speaker that the victim was "one who should never have to fall", and the final bit of drama falls flat.

Forgive Me Father For I Have Sin

It's just the obsessive in me, don't worry, that screams:
WHERE ARE THE LAST THREE LINES?

The colors, here, at least serve a purpose -- they're to mark the two speakers of the poem. That first line is a little annoying in terms of being a clever-seeming subversion, but then that second line makes the counterpoint seem like something worth reading.

Is it, though? There are hints, here and there: hints of color ("Right now it's just you and me", "Enjoyed the smell of your skin on my lips"), hints of strong emotion (not the forced outbursts of the daughter, but that strong second line, as well as "Victim: that is what I am to you" and "Everyday I sink farther and farther in"). The hints are obscured, however, by what I term to be "forced outbursts" -- "I love you/I hate you", "To me you are dead", every mention of "hell" -- as well as thrown-in-themes that simply don't connect ("Vengeance" for what? As creepy as the relationship between the father and daughter here is, the daughter never acknowledges it at the same level. The father insinuates something incestuous, but the only crime the daughter ever accuses her father of committing is turning her into a victim, which could mean a victim of anything, not just her father).

Overall, it comes close, but it still needs a good deal of polish: my read is that this is a metaphor for a young woman losing her faith, so maybe focus on that some more?

A Lover's Sorrow

"Narrative" is not a form -- form typically relates to the structure of words, not to how explicit a poem's plotting is. And yes, explicit, not present -- all poems have narratives, with the ultimate question being whether the focus is on the events (aka, the genre, not form, of Epic Poetry), the character interactions (aka, Dramatic Poetry), or all the other things but the former two (aka, Lyric Poetry). Of course, those genres often have overlap, but the point is Narrative Poetry is a genre, not a form: the form of this piece is good new-fangled free verse.

Now I would focus more on the form, but that being less the focus: I kind of wish there was more to it. The form, I mean. The narrative could be as cliched as you want it to be (and the classic lyric poems often were: I'm celebrating love, I'm mourning death, etc), and, in this case, it is, but the cliche would be overridden by the skill of the word use, the force of the speaker's personality, the vividness of the images (and by vividness, in this case, I mean their being more novel), and, at the very least, some self-awareness regarding it all. There isn't even a sense of sublime wisdom behind the manner by which the storytelling young woman took in all these images, no hint that her sorrow for lost love means sorrow for something more -- and that last letter, with its tone being just as airy as the rest of the piece, feels more like a joke than anything else (I suspect that the letter is so unofficial because He wrote it himself, implying that He'd grown up and out of loving the girl, but I feel like that's a reading the text doesn't actually support).

Empathy

Hilarious! but one massive nit: meter! Limericks don't work nearly as well if their form isn't nearly as conventional. "there ONCE was a GIRL, SOBbing in GRIEF" --- no, no, it should be something like "there ONCE was a GIRL who was SOB(bin')", etc etc. Still, at least the fault is consistent, so it's not too much of a distraction.

Seeking Acceptance

"I deserve to be happy"

Here's a bit of wisdom from an equivalent void: no, it's not OK to feel this way. That's the whole point. Otherwise we wouldn't be even thinking about deserving to be happy. The point is we overcome that feeling, or we change that feeling -- but no, that feeling is not OK, and to feel that way is to have sunk further into that feeling.

That is, unless the feeling is not acedia, but something like forbidden love, which the title seems to point to. In which case, my bad? but then the last stanza confuses that interpretation ("Not yet"? So the speaker has control over how she is accepted by everyone? Or has she not accepted herself yet -- but then, what's the point of "It's not OK to feel this way"?), and there's really nothing else in this piece that shows what that feeling truly is.



I think a recurring theme with these reviews is specificity: ie, for the pieces I think are rather weak, or even for the pieces that I think just lack in polish, their biggest issue is often that, for whatever narrative they seek to convey, there aren't enough details. Yes, the point of lyric poetry is not to tell a story, but to evoke an emotion: the problem is that when you feel something, more often than not the feeling is tied to some little detail, or some humble scheme of details, rather than the general outline of whatever events evoked that feeling.

Now sometimes I argue that a piece is being nonspecific, when in fact the details in the piece are really what happened, but then that's another problem. When I argue that, technically what I mean is that with the way the details are conveyed, they just end up being cliche, and cliche is problematic for the same reason nonspecific is problematic: it's forgettable. It makes what the piece says something we've already heard before, rather than something we need to hear again.

My advice would be to see more, and say more: take in more details of whatever event or set of events it is that evokes your feeling, then, instead of starting with a form in mind, begin with conveying and connecting all those bits of image and voice into one coherent picture or monologue. That, or root the feeling in something else: a central metaphor, perhaps, or a well-characterized narrator. Also, in memorializing details, focus on the nouns, rather than the adjectives and adverbs. Those latter terms are often traps, in that they seem evocative, but once divorced from the nouns they're modifying, they're actually quite meaningless.
I attempted to quote only my review, but I'm on mobile right now and I got sick of trying to fix it without messing something up. SO!

I'm glad you like it, and yes I agree that the coloring may have been a mistake. However, I'm having trouble why the words being commonplace was a problem for you, and I'd like an explaination- just out of curiosity. The feelings of forgiveness or revenge are very simple, core responses. Each of us have developed a preference for one of the two in our short human lifespans. I attempted to reflect that in the use of easy to understand, short words that can be twisted to suit the reader's thoughts.
 
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I attempted to quote only my review, but I'm on mobile right now and I got sick of trying to fix it without messing something up. SO!

I'm glad you like it, and yes I agree that the coloring may have been a mistake. However, I'm having trouble why the words being commonplace was a problem for you, and I'd like an explanation- just out of curiosity. The feelings of forgiveness or revenge are very simple, core responses. Each of us have developed a preference for one of the two in our short human lifespans. I attempted to reflect that in the use of easy to understand, short words that can be twisted to suit the reader's thoughts.

The diamond is not an exclusive form, and neither are the feelings of forgiveness and revenge. I'm not entirely sure if there's already a diamond that tackles both themes simultaneously, but it's not unlikely. The postscript to my entire set of reviews, though, does shed some light.

To reiterate, what we usually remember is not the outline of things, nor the adjectives and adverbs we use to describe those things, but the specific details that make up those things. When I think, "how I love dinuguan!", remembering how "it tastes delicious" or even "it tastes sour, salty, meaty, and kinda irony" isn't as evocative as "it's black like dried blood. That's because it is blood, blood that tastes like licking the back of a metal spoon -- only that rancid taste is, by some strange alchemy, made the highlight by the sour of camias, the richness of pork meat, and the oiliness of pork fat."

Likewise, thinking "I'm gonna vengeance myself on you!", and expressing that with "I'm angry" or even "It feels hard" is not as powerful as, say, "You have slighted me. I'm now gonna have to get you drunk, lead you down to my basement, then brick you up in the catacombs of my forefathers. Asshole." As clean and simple as poetry is supposed to be, the more memorable kinds of poetry tap into the same things the more memorable kinds of prose do -- vivid, concrete imagery, and a strong sense of character.

At least, that's the view when tied to prose. When considering poetry solely as poetry, one must consider that the best poetry is read not just for what they immediately make you feel, but for what you can uncover digging in, like with the use of form, the interaction of themes, and the word choice. In your case, the use of form and the interaction of themes allow for a nutty cosmological reading that, for me, is irresistible; however, because the words used are incredibly multipolar, something is lost regarding word choice. This isn't exactly helped by the fact that the voice is very neutral.

Still, in your case, it isn't really a problem. Compact poems do have the advantage of having a lot of focus, which yours has. Vividness isn't everything, either, especially when a piece has plenty of ideas to back it up. And, returning to my review, I did leave the point rather open-ended: really, as a reader one of the first things I look for is strong imagery.
 
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Hoo boy. Was not expecting to see so many other submissions! It's been a really great afternoon reading through all these and putting thoughts into words, and my brain is slightly reeling after sitting down and working through it all in one sitting. For what they're worth, here are my reviews. Also, thanks Pahn for organising the whole thing!

I'm going to take a disagreement with RiverNotch's interpretation of this being a war=bad poem. One of the lines that really stands out for me is 'Sordid? War did have a meaning.' Firstly, I love that little internal rhyme at the start, but that second sentence is a statement, and that for me really changes the whole thing. This isn't a poem about the evils of war but the importance of what comes after.The importance of re-establishing peace.

The one thing that slightly bugs me is the fact that the end rhymes are highly prevalent but not 100% consistent so I get slightly thrown every so often. That being said however, I really felt the chosen themes coming through, the idea of forgiving those you had fought with and finding redemption in that act. There's almost a hint of courage as well in the last line. Every readthrough I found a bit more depth in here.

I really like the structure of this poem, the sort of modified diamond style and the repetition with slightly added details. I'd considered trying something similar but couldn't find a way to make it work, so it's nice to see it utilised. The theme of grief, of love lost really comes through strongly here.

I'm not 100% sure on some on the full interpretation - it comes across as someone who loses love and acquires a broken heart due to their partner's actions, and yet it's 'Your broken heart' not 'My broken heart'. After all, the middle line heavily implies that the dead love and broken heart belong to the same person. Maybe I'm misreading it.

I really do agree with Auphe's reading here, the idea of a fork in the road. The words used really evoke the chosen themes quite vividly. I'm not sure whether the fork in the road was an intention of neo, but if so I almost feel that maybe an inverted pyramid could have evoked it even more clearly-in the centre the two paths, and spreading out from each one the ensuing emotions.

I like the use of the colours but honestly as has been said they do work against you in that some words are harder to read. The succinctness is definitely nice to see though - it's impressive how vividly you conjured those emotions whilst using so few words.

I have to confess to completely missing the rhyme scheme on my first read through, and I just noticed it as I started to write this review. At first it seems a bit unusual (probably because it's novel to me) but as I read through it comes through more and more strongly and provides a nice rhythm to the read. In fact, I grew to love it.The imagery is really strong here, and the regret for past actions shines through especially strongly - there's a great sense of grief. I get a great sense of seeking redemption, and think I remember you asking about that as an inclusive theme.

I think you possibly could have included courage in the themes to be honest. The contrast between the second and third stanzas really highlights the courage of facing your past acts and seeking to make amends. It's a really enjoyable read, and the title really ties in strongly here.

I can clearly see the idea here of a past act tearing a rift in a family, between father and daughter. The nature of it is pretty clear as far as I can tell, but the actual driving motivations are a little unclear. The father comes through clearly as wanting to hold onto his daughter, and his need (lust) for her. The daughter though I find confusing. She says she wants vengeance, but on who? Her father? Why then does she ask him to forget her? Assuming all these messages are directed to each other, why does she ask him to save her? The central idea is there, but the confusion obscures any deeper themes running through it.

Those two themes are there strongly - the desire for forgiveness of the father and the grief of the daughter - maybe room for Revenge as well given the statements of the daughter. The use of colour is nice, but the blue is difficult to read for people with darker Iwaku themes.

You picked a narrative form, and certainly this takes that form. The story is told clearly through the whole thing. Certainly the idea of grief is evoked quite strongly, the sense of joy and happiness cruelly snatched away. I'm not sure if the switch from first person to third person partway through was intentional or not - if it was, I'd love to hear why. The inconsistent rhyming threw me - some parts had a nice rhythm, others didn't. I think either pure freeform or pure rhyming would have worked better for me, my brain kept jumping between two different schemes.

I'm not sure I'm seeing where the courage is in here - is it in the context of her letting him go away or in the context of her writing letters? It's not clear if she continued to write even after he stopped writing back.It could also be in the courage she's shown to move beyond it I guess? I do feel like the courage aspect could use a bit more weight overall.

KUDOS! Using an inherently comedic form when presented with such inherently heavy themes is a bold move and I think you pitched it at a perfect point. The lightheartedness is only accentuated by the surrounding poems, a little upbeat light moment that serves to give the brain a bit of a rest from tackling heavy concepts. There's also, on a slightly deeper level, the habit of young children to get upset over the most minor of things which you encapsulated really nicely. It put a smile on my face. You took what I joked about doing and actually pulled it off!

The title I think really resonates here - not just for the 'Roll Credits' moment in the final line, but also reflecting the two conflicting emotions that generate the strife in here - not having enough of the one you love to satisfy you while also not being enough to be worthy of having them. I love the sense of feeling like a threat to the one you love because you want them too much - it's a theme that I always find really nice when done well and I think you nailed that sensation.

I do feel like the repeated questions at the start do grate a little, but I love the how the cut between dialogue and internal thought is the answer you want to give but could never express. I really felt the grief, but the forgiveness was more just a desperate grasp for forgiveness that another doesn't even know they can grant. I feel like courage would have been a better fit, as an inverse, a lack of courage. The fear that honesty will lead to you losing.

This one tickles all kinds of alliterative satisfaction for me. I'm an absolute sucker for it and the repeated sounds provide a great rhythm to the poem.That said, I really struggled to infer much meaning from this. I found the word choices a bit too abstract, and apart from the sheer joy of the alliteration, I didn't really get much from this one.

A sonnet is a fairly unconventional form to use here given that it's traditionally a form for a love poem, but I think you really made it work. I can see your rap influence in the rhyme of justice with corrupted - sneaky bit of wordplay there! The title links in nicely to the onrunning metaphor of revenge as flame.

It's a bit too preachy for my personal liking, and there is a bit of a contradiction when forgiveness is tough, but it douses the fire with ease...but on the whole I really enjoyed the read. Stuck to the pure themes, so not a vast amount of hidden depth, but not every poem has to be an excavation and it's nice to have something so forthright about its subject.

There's a lot of symbolism in here that I struggled to understand, so forgive me if I'm missing some of the importance here. I get the vague impression of someone who's no longer closely associated with someone returning to it, and hoping to find within it some measure of peace and forgiveness, to be reborn as a new person? I'm not sure if the references to fire and ash are linked to pain, to hell, or to cremation and this is talking about reincarnation? I really liked the first stanza but after then I got kinda lost :(

Short but packing a hell of a punch. I love how you stripped away all pretense, all the empty words, and really got to the core of a plea for forgiveness. The feeling that words can't possibly undo what was done. The feeling that it's insufficient. I feel like the first part lacks a bit of the rhythm of the second half - the late introduction of the rhyming kinda has that effect. Nevertheless it proves that good things do come in small packages!

I really like how the aspect of courage you grasped is the courage to resist the urge to retaliate. The strength to move through the pain and move forwards, and the use of the acrostic really emphasises that. I'm also really impressed that you managed to work a rhyme scheme into the acrostic as well - kudos for that! I'm not sure how the title fits with the poem though, Rebound strikes me as being a bit abstract but I may well be missing something that makes it fit. It's got a great rhythm to it, and the themes really shine through.

The thing I loved here is the subversion of the traditional expectation of Grief->Revenge. The whole concept of what comes after revenge and the emptiness that can ensue after achieving a goal is something I've always loved, and it's really clearly encapsulated here. The fact that even after achieving her revenge she realises that the burden remains hits that mark perfectly. The aquatic imagery is fantastically vivid, as well as the realisation that she had become what he was.

I would have liked to see a bit more structure to it, but you picked some fantastic metaphors (and hit one of my personal favourite themes in revenge->grief) and really painted a vivid image of the subject.

I like the concept of souls belonging together but never quite managing to stay together. Every time they come close something splits them apart. There's some fantastically vivid imagery in some points, especially the second stanza of section 2 (if that's clear as to what I mean). The repeated three syllable sentences really make the whole thing seem very visceral and...brutal. And then there's bits that don't really seem to fit. Like in section 3 they're suddenly hanging from a bridge? I know from your earlier reviews that you're a fan of specific details but I'd argue that here the specifics just confuse it. The chestnut log followed on nicely from the preceding lines, while this one's a bit of a non-sequitur. Could they just not have never met again, or by the time one realised the other was married?

The ending was totally nailed, and really suited the whole concept of meeting over and over in different lives. I also really liked the construction of the poem in terms of the structure - it really helped to emphasise the concept. I assume the redemption you mentioned in themes was what both souls were seeking when/if the eventually reunite? Not sure the grief came through - there's a sadness that comes with the awareness of the situation but I don't know if I could really call it grief. Overall though it was a great read that I really enjoyed.
 
SPOILER IN THE SPOILER: I'm not good at writing poems and neither am a great reviewer, so forgive me if all this sounds so tedious and repetitive xD

I really enjoyed the poem, it was a great poem that doesn't show off the bloodbath of war, but instead, the process of rebuilding everything once its over. The title I also enjoy, it adds to the rest of the poem and even a little bit of impact for me once I've read everything. The occasional rhymes and non-rhyming lines throw me a bit off, making me re-read the lines twice, but I still like the non-rhyming lines, I guess I was just expecting it all to rhyme since the first two verses did xD

The themes were on-point, absolutely felt them, no matter how many times I read through, it was as if I felt them a little bit more for each time I did so. An enjoyable poem for the forgiveness of their enemies and finding redemption instead of revenge.

The first time I read through it, I didn't notice the structure, but I totally notice it when I saw a couple of other reviews and I think it's awesome and well-done! I also feel the grief, it shines strongly throughout the entire poem and the middle lines are what holds the most impact.

I am a bit unsure who they are referring to at the end though as it changes from "My dead love lives in pain" to "Your broken heart". I don't know who this "You" is as I thought it would be "Me" instead. I might be missing something here though xD

That title is too true and it's so well done because it's far too fitting xD This situation is familiar and I'm sure a lot of people can find themselves in this poem because everyone has been at this crossroad at some point. The colors do make it a bit iffy to read (nothing I couldn't get around though xD) and I like the colors. It adds another impact, with forgiveness being white and revenge being black. It's a nice touch, a small detail, that adds a little bit of a punch.

I also feel as if each word in your short poem has a punch to it as if I could put pressure on 99% of the words and still have an enjoyable read. A lot of emotions in seven lines, very impressive!

I feel almost proud for noticing the rhymes right away, though I'm probably not the only one xD It was super enjoyable though, reading through this poem multiple times gave more and more words impact while giving it a steady rhythm despite me missing a few rhymes every now and then xD Unfortunately, I have never read something by Edgar Allan Poe (Do not murder me), but if he has this kind of style, I might just find something to read later xD You hit the themes so well too, I can feel the grief, the forgiveness, and redemption. It was super enjoyable to read, in short xD <3

A common thing people forget is the different color schemes on Iwaku, which does make the blue for the father harder to read, but you're far from the only one that forgets that, and I still like the dynamic between the two colors, to distinguish the father from the daughter.

I feel the theme of grief, but I don't feel that much forgiveness. I feel more revenge? The daughter in the poem seems angrier than wanting to be forgiven, if anyone, it is the father that is seeking forgiveness as well, so I think in addition to revenge to the themes would have fit in nicely :D <3 I am unsure what the background story the their "conversation" (if it is conversation or personal thoughts, I also do not know) but obviously, it wasn't a good situation and I fear the worst >-<

It's still very good though, enjoyable to the very last line, if just a bit confusing! ^^

Oh man, this poem made me feel too many feels Q~Q I really enjoyed it though, the narrative and rhyming poem were incredibly well structured and an enjoyable read. A few rhymes were a bit harder to catch, but reading it out loud really helped, which made the poem a lot more impact full and so nice. I understood the title so well, and it gives the poem one more punch (which it really didn't need in my feels opinion, too many of them xD) but it's so nice. Even if it does have a sad ending and made me a bit teary, I still read it many times and I still like it a lot <3

You know, after reading a ton of "LET ME DROWN YOU IN FEELS!" this was a GREAT relief xD <3 I actually, really liked it xD The fact that it was an uplifting poem with such heavy themes, and to think you even nailed it, as a great feat xD I tip my hat to you, that was enjoyable and well-played!

It is incredibly enjoyable. I'll admit that at the first read, I thought "the structure is a bit weird?" but then I noticed the form was "Acrostic" and I gave myself a big face-palm xD It's so clever that it went over my head, but knowing what the first letters make: "I deserve to be happy" and the rest of the poem, gave it the final punch for me to make the poem go from: "It's weirdly structured, but good" to "OH MY GOD YES" xD

We all have demons we fight, but finding the courage to fight them is hard and then realizing the "I can also feel like this" is the forgiveness part. I love it, and I love the "I deserve to be happy" because it makes my heart shiver a little bit. Q~Q <3

The structure of the poem is great, and the repeated sounds is a super clever way to add a little bit more of an impact to the poem, while cleverly describing it a lot more. I must admit I struggle a bit to find the themes in this one, perhaps I'm unable to read too deeply into it, but it's a bit confusing for me to know what it is about and how the themes fit in.

I love the rhymes, the rhymes help it get such a good structure and rhythm to it, keeping it going in a way that I KNOW you could actually rap xD (In fact, I did try and rap it out loud to myself, but that was a mistake I'll never repeat xD) The title makes gives the picture you've given in the poem a nice confirmation, because revenge can indeed engulf someone like flames and burn them from the inside. It hits the themes spot-on, and unlike most of the poems, it is straight-forward on the themes, making it super clear what they were!

I think I need to be a better poet to understand a lot of the symbolism in this poem, which makes me a bit sad because it was a very enjoyable poem to read with a great structure, but I know I missed a lot of the symbolism in it. It makes it harder for me to catch the meaning of the poem and to find the themes, I found myself a bit too lost to grasp any meaning >-<

It is short but enjoyable. I think because it is so short and uses so few words, it becomes more impactful to me. The courage theme, I think, is writing the words in the first place. It is forgiveness and grief that is shown through the words, and then courage is the "behind the scenes" theme. I like it, super enjoyable and so well-structured! :D

"I forgive them". Oh man, I felt it so good xD There is a lot of courage required to find forgiveness, and you definitely nailed the themes. I enjoy the structure and I enjoy the AB-AB rhymes. It's so good and so well-done! I read it out loud to myself, and it made it all the more enjoyable! It has a great rhythm and flows, definitely enjoyable!

I love it. It is so sad, but I still love it. There is something about the one taking vengeance for someone else and still not getting the satisfaction they seek, that is a great theme centered around in this poem. The fact that revenge leads to grief, it is so well-reflected in the words while the poem almost remains like a short story. It made me a little sad it had a sad ending, but I can't complain when the theme is "grief" and you hit it so well xD <3

It is so enjoyable. The fact that soulmates are "meant to be together" is such a lovely and fitting theme along with grief and redemption. I really enjoyed the structure, the first read-through I didn't understand why the numbers were there, but on the second read-through, I absolutely got it, and it added another impact to the poem it didn't have the first time.

The first and second verses are so nice and I understand them completely, I struggle more to get the ending of the third, but I might have missed some symbolism, which is definitely possible.

Though I missed the third verse's meaning, I absolutely loved the end. You hit the bull's eye on that one, it made me think a little bit about the whole "soulmate" beliefs, in fact, the fact you might not meet them and whatnot xD
 
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There's a lot of symbolism in here that I struggled to understand, so forgive me if I'm missing some of the importance here. I get the vague impression of someone who's no longer closely associated with someone returning to it, and hoping to find within it some measure of peace and forgiveness, to be reborn as a new person? I'm not sure if the references to fire and ash are linked to pain, to hell, or to cremation and this is talking about reincarnation? I really liked the first stanza but after then I got kinda lost :(


I think I need to be a better poet to understand a lot of the symbolism in this poem, which makes me a bit sad because it was a very enjoyable poem to read with a great structure, but I know I missed a lot of the symbolism in it. It makes it harder for me to catch the meaning of the poem and to find the themes, I found myself a bit too lost to grasp any meaning >-<

Hey y'all,

Just wanted to pop in and say that I'm thinking it's not really a matter of CrystalTears not being "a better poet"; I'm gonna say that if you were both lost, I probably communicated it poorly. I think I was too esoteric, or too vague. So! I'm glad you both communicated it to me so I can learn from it.

I'll put my intended meaning here, if anyone is interested:
[spoili]
It's about someone who returns to a church to do a confessional in the booth and ask for forgiveness, many years after leaving the church. At first, they feel vulnerable and don't know how it works, but they go with it. During the process, they realize that it's a painful thing to put everything you hate about your actions on the table and ask for forgiveness - like physically massing a witch's body and lighting it ablaze beneath the scrutiny. The person decides that forgiveness from oneself takes more vulnerability to obtain, and is more necessary for them than forgiveness from an authority figure.[/spoili]
 
Hey y'all,

Just wanted to pop in and say that I'm thinking it's not really a matter of CrystalTears not being "a better poet"; I'm gonna say that if you were both lost, I probably communicated it poorly. I think I was too esoteric, or too vague. So! I'm glad you both communicated it to me so I can learn from it.

I'll put my intended meaning here, if anyone is interested:
[spoili]
It's about someone who returns to a church to do a confessional in the booth and ask for forgiveness, many years after leaving the church. At first, they feel vulnerable and don't know how it works, but they go with it. During the process, they realize that it's a painful thing to put everything you hate about your actions on the table and ask for forgiveness - like physically massing a witch's body and lighting it ablaze beneath the scrutiny. The person decides that forgiveness from oneself takes more vulnerability to obtain, and is more necessary for them than forgiveness from an authority figure.[/spoili]


Ah! That actually makes it a lot more understandable! I was somewhat on the right path in my thought process, but assuming is scary, so I did not write it down, though I did not get this deep xD <3

Still, though, your poem was enjoyable to read, though I do have to say it was more enjoyable knowing what I was reading about!
 
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