For Your Outrage

Discussion in 'THREAD ARCHIVES' started by Apocaric, Mar 24, 2010.

  1. • Page 16: States that if you have insurance at the time of the bill becoming law and change, you will be required to take a similar plan. If that is not available, you will be required to take the gov option!
    • Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
    • Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!
    • Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
    • Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.
    • Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
    • Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.
    • Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
    • Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (example: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
    • Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.
    • Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
    • Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens
    • Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
    • Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.
    • Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.
    • Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
    • Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.
    • Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.
    • Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll <>BR • Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll
    • Page 167: Any individual who doesnt' have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.
    • Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).
    • Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.
    • Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." Yes, it really says that.
    • Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected."
    • Page 241: Doctors: no matter what speciality you have, you'll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)
    • Page 253: Government sets value of doctors' time, their professional judgment, etc.
    • Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.
    • Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.
    • Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!
    • Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.
    • Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.
    • Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies!
    • Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.
    • Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on "community" input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN.
    • Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing.
    • Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.
    • Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.
    • Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone).
    • Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?
    • Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time.
    • Page 425: Goverment provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.
    • Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends.
    • Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient's health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT.
    • Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.
    • Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.
    • Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN.
    • Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage.
    • Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services.
     
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  2. This is.... What the hell, the government is making themselves freakin' untouchable?! "Real-time access" to our bank accounts?! They choose how we die?! They control our frickin' marriages?! And our wills? What the hell is the point of making a will if the government can just come in and say "We don't like this-We're changing it."? This is stupid, and one of the few things that truly gets me upset... We bitch and moan and groan about "We're America!" and freedom of choice, freedom of expression, and all these wonderful ideals, and yet we're now turning into the very thing we were so dead set on preventing! The Cold War?! Hitler's damned dictatorship?! Well, guess what? When you take away even ONE aspect of freedom of choice, you take the first tiny step into a dictatorship!

    So CONGRATUFRICKINLATIONS, U.S.A., you're turning into a godly, controlling asshole.
     
  3. I just love the fact that non-tax paying illegal immigrants get to get all the benefits from this, without being a citizen. RAGEEEEEEEE
     
  4. Hell, I hate the institution of marriage already, now they throw THIS...

    AND MY WILL?

    ...MY LIFE?!

    *Whimpers*
     
  5. WELCOME TO STATE HEALTHCARE, AMERICA.

    *Stands dramatically on a hilltop, cackling manically*
     
  6. Yeah, we got none of those rights here.
     

  7. so if i have a holliday in 'merika and break my arse, i get free fixing of it.

    but you guys get shafted.

    huh, sucks to be you.
     
  8. Are you telling me that somehow now I've got it better than you guys?


    Fuck yeah, I love being broke.

    Now I'm not trying to troll you guys or anything, that's pretty shitty.
     
  9. Well let's be fair. America, and Democracy had a good run.

    Guess this means I'll never be free of debt. : (
     
  10. So, the only question is: What the heck is America turning into?
     
  11. I am hesitant to believe any of these things circulating the internets, but I am overall disappointed at the lack of a public option. Without that the bill doesn't seem to do that much, aside from the requirement that people have insurance.

    Anyways, here's a link a version of it. Not sure if it's the final one.
    http://docs.house.gov/rules/health/111_ahcaa.pdf

    most of it seems to be complicated rules changes, which is a continuing problem with government transparency.

    Also that page 50 and 170 references seem wrong, as immigrant groups are protesting the lack of any coverage for undocumented immigrants.
     
  12. This list is from an older version of the bill, admittedly. That said, this was brought to my attention by an individual who is historically very good about thoroughly researching anything she comes across before passing it on.
     
  13. A lot of those were worded in ways I simply couldn't understand. There were also way too many for me to just sit there and read through 500 cited pages?! What the hell! But yeah, the ones I did see look like total Bullshit. Like rules about Marriage and your will and a "Health Commisioner" deciding what benefits you get? Not cool!

    Don't get me wrong, the old system was seriously out of whack, but this is like saying, "hey, why don't we take a problem, and make it worse?" I'm all for health care reform, just not this. It makes me seriously consider moving to Canada.
     
  14. I both agree and disagree with everything on that list!
     
  15. I love how everyone gets butthurt about health care and illegal immigrants. :D
     
  16. YAY FREE HEALTHCARE!!!!!!!

    Cor get out of there...
     
  17. A place I may end up leaving...how's the British Isles? hopefully not as fucked up as we are.
     
  18. I'll join you. XD
    I'm gonna go visit Saki!
     
  19. OH CANADA! I'M COMING FOR AN EXTENDED VISIT!