Mafia 2.0: Day Thread Game #7

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RULES & ROLES

Overall Policies

Do not discuss the game with other players outside of the in-game PMs and day phase thread, at all. You are free to discuss it with people who are not playing.
Do not edit or delete posts. No, not even to correct typos or to remove double posts. While I know that this is frustrating, it is too easy to cheat otherwise. If the current "hall monitor" (@Shizuochan) or I catch you editing or deleting posts, we will revert your edit or undelete your post.
Do not talk in night chats during the day phase, and vice versa. This should be fairly self-explanatory.

Inactivity

Inactive means no activity in the day thread or responding to night action reminders.
If you are inactive for 1 full cycle, you will receive a warning.
If you are inactive for 2 full cycles, you will be roleblocked.
If you are inactive for 3 full cycles, you will be killed. I will state at the beginning of the discussion phase that you were removed for inactivity. If you have a power role and there are any vanilla team members alive and active, one of them will randomly receive your role.

The game will start with me using a RNG to assign roles to players. I will then PM each player to let them know what their role is and ask them for their first night action if they have one. Once you receive this PM, the game has officially begun.

The game consists of three phases: the night phase, the discussion phase, and the voting phase. The discussion and voting phase are referred to collectively as the day phase. The night phase will take place solely in PMs, while the discussion and voting phases will take place on a public thread. Each phase will be 72 hours long, starting and ending at 5:00 PM MDT. A maximum of two single-day extensions each may be requested for the discussion and voting phases. The discussion phase will also end early if requested. I may also extend or end the day phase if I believe discussion is still active or has ended, respectively. You are still allowed to discuss during the voting phase.

At the start of the night phase, I will PM each person with a night role asking how/if they would like to use their night action. Once the night phase ends, the night actions will resolve and I'll enact any results. For example if person X is killed, then at the end of the night I will inform X that they have been killed, and add/remove them from any PM chats as necessary. Most PMs are between the player and myself only, however some players have the ability to communicate with others at night: if this is the case, it will be stated in their role description.

Next comes the discussion phase. Every discussion phase will begin with me announcing who (if anyone) died the previous night, that it is now the discussion phase, and when the discussion phase will end. In the discussion phase everyone is able to talk about who they think is what role, who they want to lynch, and whatever else may be relevant to the game. I may jump in with rule clarifications if I believe someone is confused about the rules. At the end of the discussion phase, I will announce that the discussion phase is over and that it is now the voting phase, along with when the voting phase will end.

In the voting phase everyone may vote on who they want to lynch. In order to vote you must publicly announce in the day phase thread that you are voting to lynch X player. People are allowed to cancel or change their vote, but keep in mind that you are not allowed to edit or delete posts. If someone is voted on by the majority of players (majority = (Total Living Players/2)+1, rounded down when total players is odd) before the end of the voting phase, then that player will be lynched. I will post announcing that X player has been lynched, state their faction (town, mafia, or neutral), and add or remove people from PMs as necessary. If nobody receives a majority of the vote before the end of the voting phase, I will announce that nobody has been lynched. When either somebody has been lynched or the voting phase ends, I will announce that the voting phase has ended and the night phase has begun. I will also state when the night phase will end.

Any questions people have during the game can be asked in this thread, in the day phase thread if it is currently the day phase, or via PM. I would prefer that you ask any role-related questions via PM to prevent cheating, though this is not strictly necessary.

The game ends once either all the town or all the mafia are dead. Once this happens, the game will end and I will announce the results in the discussion and voting phase thread. The results consist of who won and a complete role list. After the game is over, the discussion and voting phase thread will be archived, and players may discuss their thoughts on the game in this main thread. We will generally start planning the next game and pick the next GM and "hall monitor" at this time.

Mayor: The mayor may reveal themselves anytime during the day phase. After they are revealed, their vote counts as 3 votes.
Detective: The detective may visit one person every night. They learn the faction--town, mafia, or neutral--of the person they visit.
Doctor: The doctor may protect one person from being killed every night. They have two self-heals.
Medium: The medium can communicate with the dead. They will be part of the dead chat. While they can always see the dead chat, they are only allowed to talk to the dead at night. After they die, they will be able to send one message. They may choose who to send this message to at any time. The message will be sent at night.
Lookout: The lookout may visit one person each night. They will see who visits that person. The Lookout has a night chat with the Tracker.
Tracker: The tracker may visit one person each night and see who that person visits. The Tracker has a night chat with the Lookout.
3 normal townies

Mafia and Neutral
2 Mafiosos: The mafia vote on who to kill each night. They may decide who visits the target. If they do not choose, one of them will be randomly picked.
Consort: Mafia-aligned. The consort may visit one person each night. The person they visit can not use their night ability and will be told that they were blocked. If there are no other mafia alive, the Consort becomes a Mafioso.
Executioner: Neutral. The executioner gets a randomized town-aligned target at the beginning of the game. Their goal is to make sure that person is lynched. If their target dies at night, they become a Jester. The Jester's goal is to be lynched. Both the Jester and the Executioner are immune to night kills.
Survivor: Neutral. The survivor's goal is to survive throughout the game. They get three self-heals that they can use at night.
 
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*shrugs* fair enough I guess....it sucks, but I get it. Have fun having one less person to get in the maf's way. But like I said, all I ask is that I get a last meal request.

Even though two people are claiming roleblocked....maybe we should focus on that, hm?
 
Aight, I'm not gonna deal with this. The_J is assumably maf, and using everyones' already low trust in me to frame me for falsely being roleblocked. I was roleblocked, and I can get an alibi, but that would cost more than just letting me be lynched.

Just know that if you lynch me and I come up town, you know who's lying.
 
I'm not swinging anywhere near Pen right now. I've got Dipper telling me he was detective and investigated Neo and no reason to believe otherwise.

Pen is just TOO suspicious right now and all that makes me wary of is that he's Jester.

If Lookout/Tracker are around they can always watch Pen or J and see if either of them act shady. But this round? My decision is pretty set.
 
As much as I would love to abstain forever, we might already be down three town members. We are at best at a ratio of 6-7 towns, 3 mafia and 1-2 neutrals. Of the neutrals, Executioner/ jester is a definite neutral. They have night immunity and we haven't had a stand still day yet. That being said, we have the majority today and possibly next round, but it won't last. Assume the neutrals want to win by whatever means possible, we got a 7 to 4 at best or a 6 to 5 at worst. Now, as an ex-survivor, the best strategy us to be careful with your vests and not be revealed, that being said, survivor is a swing vote. They could vote with the mafia if firmly convinced enough or town. So at true best, we got 7 to 4 with 6 townies and one survivor. That being said, next round we will be 6 to 4, following round 5 to 4 and all it takes is a townie or survivor to be duped and Mafia gets majority and win. Also, we need to be careful because the mafia can use our suspicions to their advantage. Example: Mr. J is townie and Pen is calling him out as a mafia. Mr. J winds up dead and Pen is looked out with a more cautious eye and being a possible jester let's the town believe he is a murderer. Mafia executes 2 that night and narrows our rank so that they are at majority. So, if they play it right within the next two rounds, they can make them have a practical majority. We need to be careful and also be cautious.
 
I'm not totally convinced that Elle isn't the executioner though. Isn't it rather convenient that Dipper just so happened to be Detective and investigate a maf, n1? But of course, they were vague and it took an additional round to confirm what that role is. In fact, as someone who was medium in a previous game, it's not like you only get one message. Why was there no further conversation n2? If they were confusing, you should've clarified. And Kimberlyn had absolutely nothing to add? Kim hasn't, imo, played vaguely. There was no reason why they wouldn't've (not a word) claimed a role and offered some sort of evidence.

I'm just not sold, they is set up too neatly to be true.
 
Unfortunately a large part of that is I really just didn't have a clue about how to be Medium. I wasn't aware how much I could or should ask, so I wasn't able to confirm more info from Dipper.

I did, however, talk more to Dipper and clarify (perhaps you missed it? It was in my first post for this round)

I can (if I survive) try to get more info from Kim next round and also get RJS's role.
 
Nobody has counterclaimed either being the medium or the detective claim though, so it's the best thing we got.... Plus, If I'm correct, we are in Lylo....
 
Lylo means Lynch Or Loose. Essentially means that if we want any chance of winning, we have to lynch this day phase.
 
I'm sure I'm gonna get lynched this round. I fully expect it, in fact. However....before we decide, can we please take a look at Pen and The_J? Because...two claims? And a jester this early? One of them has to be maf. Has to.

I'm innocent, and I really don't think you should kill me. Because, you know...I don't really wanna die. It's not very fun :/ either Pen or The_J is lying.
 
Aight, I'm not gonna deal with this. The_J is assumably maf, and using everyones' already low trust in me to frame me for falsely being roleblocked. I was roleblocked, and I can get an alibi, but that would cost more than just letting me be lynched.

Just know that if you lynch me and I come up town, you know who's lying.
ehhh if we're in lylo I'm not letting you do this, sorry pal
this may also be dumb and I'm not realizing but fuckit I'm not gonna be able to be here much this week

I can confirm Pen was roleblocked, we're the tracker-lookout duo. Haven't come up with anything yet other than that Lusterine visited themselves N2, so their survivor claim is likely valid. As for the early confusion with Pen--that was literally just because he wanted attention, no strategy involved.

J is lying, either because they're exe/jester or because they're mafia. I don't know which. Elle's behavior is admittedly shady, but in my experience with both Kim and Dipper, her messages supposedly from them are on point with what I know of their personalities. Neo was overly defensive last game as maf and seems overly defensive again.

I can provide full watch logs along with Pen's message about attention-seeking if needed, but this is what I'm willing to share straight up.
 
In that case I think The J has to be exe-jester.

If we're assuming the Dipper is who he says he is (and realistically, why would he lie once he's dead?) and Elle is accurately representing them (which I'm inclined to take Joan's word for, not knowing either Dipper or Kim that well), then I strongly suspect Neo drew the short straw and is mafia again this game.

In which case, why would a mafia J get involved in the discussion and point the finger at Pen? Either he's trying to take advantage of the confusing to execute his targeted townie, or he's hoping to get caught out and lynched. Why would mafia benefit from broadening the question any?

I had considered Pen could be the maf (he didn't seem to stick out enough to be jester), but he's vindicated by Joan. And I don't think it's too likely that we have Joan and Pen both being maf here.

Unless we have some more role claims coming out that contradict, in which case we're back at square two.
 
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It is, indeed, suspicious. Well played, maf, well played.
Why would I call you out like this if I was a maf? It would immediately paint me as a baddie, and as such be quite a poor move.

TL;DR, no u.

ehhh if we're in lylo I'm not letting you do this, sorry pal
this may also be dumb and I'm not realizing but fuckit I'm not gonna be able to be here much this week

I can confirm Pen was roleblocked, we're the tracker-lookout duo. Haven't come up with anything yet other than that Lusterine visited themselves N2, so their survivor claim is likely valid. As for the early confusion with Pen--that was literally just because he wanted attention, no strategy involved.

J is lying, either because they're exe/jester or because they're mafia. I don't know which. Elle's behavior is admittedly shady, but in my experience with both Kim and Dipper, her messages supposedly from them are on point with what I know of their personalities. Neo was overly defensive last game as maf and seems overly defensive again.

I can provide full watch logs along with Pen's message about attention-seeking if needed, but this is what I'm willing to share straight up.

Goodness gracious how is no one else suspicious about this? First of all Joan's revealing her role here, and yes whilst we are probably in lylo, that's a valuable role you don't want to be losing to maf, especially in such a risky situation. Any sensible townie with her role would certainly try to keep her role secret whilst subtly pushing for the lynch of whoever they find suspicious during the night.

This leads me to conclude that Joan and Pen are most likely in cahoots as mafia - I wonder if Joan is actually the Consort, and plans on claiming he knows one or two other roleblocks down the line. Everyone, please watch out for that tactic if I do end up being lynched or dying during the night.
 
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Goodness gracious how is no one else suspicious about this? First of all Eru's revealing his role here, and yes whilst we are probably in lylo, that's a valuable role you don't want to be losing to maf, especially in such a risky situation. Any sensible townie with his role would certainly try to keep his role secret whilst subtly pushing for the lynch of whoever they find suspicious during the night.

Subtle is not our MO. It never has been in these games. You could go as far back as game 1 to see Dipper drop a Mayor bomb to not get lynched, see multiple people claim their actual role. It's kind of our thing that we all claim at one point or another.
 
Can you please explain how my behavior is 'shady'? That comment's a touch odd since I'm not entirely sure where I've done anything beyond relaying info from the dead chat.

I'm not inclined to trust any of y'all tbh. Showing up right before the lynch with this suddenly crucial information? That's what screams shady to me. But either way, Neo is my vote and after that if I survive (Doctah... Plz) then I'm willing to focus on these other three. But all I see right now is Neo attempting to cast the spotlight on anyone else, to confuse and detract attention away from herself.

I'm actually inclined to believe that neither Pen or J are mafia strictly because of this finger pointing.

That being said... How are we gonna believe Pen really IS tracker if he said earlier he lied about it? Why say it... Then claim it was a lie? Fear of being axed by Mafia? It's just kind of a weird strategy...

Also lol that's totally Joan, not Eru XD
 
I'm super tired rn so I'm not gonna bother with a long paragraph or try to debate about this double roleclaim.

Yeah, Joan. I'm defensive because I don't wanna die. I'm legitimately being targeted by a dead guy and probably
going to get lynched so I'm doing everything possible to prevent that.

Elle, yeah. I am. Like i said, I'm being targeted. And anyone, even someone innocent such as myself, would do the same.
 
Quick question to pur supppsed Tracker/Lookout combo. Was Neo watched? If so... What info if any came back? If not... Why?
 
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