Mafia 2.0: Day Thread Game #7

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RULES & ROLES

Overall Policies

Do not discuss the game with other players outside of the in-game PMs and day phase thread, at all. You are free to discuss it with people who are not playing.
Do not edit or delete posts. No, not even to correct typos or to remove double posts. While I know that this is frustrating, it is too easy to cheat otherwise. If the current "hall monitor" (@Shizuochan) or I catch you editing or deleting posts, we will revert your edit or undelete your post.
Do not talk in night chats during the day phase, and vice versa. This should be fairly self-explanatory.

Inactivity

Inactive means no activity in the day thread or responding to night action reminders.
If you are inactive for 1 full cycle, you will receive a warning.
If you are inactive for 2 full cycles, you will be roleblocked.
If you are inactive for 3 full cycles, you will be killed. I will state at the beginning of the discussion phase that you were removed for inactivity. If you have a power role and there are any vanilla team members alive and active, one of them will randomly receive your role.

The game will start with me using a RNG to assign roles to players. I will then PM each player to let them know what their role is and ask them for their first night action if they have one. Once you receive this PM, the game has officially begun.

The game consists of three phases: the night phase, the discussion phase, and the voting phase. The discussion and voting phase are referred to collectively as the day phase. The night phase will take place solely in PMs, while the discussion and voting phases will take place on a public thread. Each phase will be 72 hours long, starting and ending at 5:00 PM MDT. A maximum of two single-day extensions each may be requested for the discussion and voting phases. The discussion phase will also end early if requested. I may also extend or end the day phase if I believe discussion is still active or has ended, respectively. You are still allowed to discuss during the voting phase.

At the start of the night phase, I will PM each person with a night role asking how/if they would like to use their night action. Once the night phase ends, the night actions will resolve and I'll enact any results. For example if person X is killed, then at the end of the night I will inform X that they have been killed, and add/remove them from any PM chats as necessary. Most PMs are between the player and myself only, however some players have the ability to communicate with others at night: if this is the case, it will be stated in their role description.

Next comes the discussion phase. Every discussion phase will begin with me announcing who (if anyone) died the previous night, that it is now the discussion phase, and when the discussion phase will end. In the discussion phase everyone is able to talk about who they think is what role, who they want to lynch, and whatever else may be relevant to the game. I may jump in with rule clarifications if I believe someone is confused about the rules. At the end of the discussion phase, I will announce that the discussion phase is over and that it is now the voting phase, along with when the voting phase will end.

In the voting phase everyone may vote on who they want to lynch. In order to vote you must publicly announce in the day phase thread that you are voting to lynch X player. People are allowed to cancel or change their vote, but keep in mind that you are not allowed to edit or delete posts. If someone is voted on by the majority of players (majority = (Total Living Players/2)+1, rounded down when total players is odd) before the end of the voting phase, then that player will be lynched. I will post announcing that X player has been lynched, state their faction (town, mafia, or neutral), and add or remove people from PMs as necessary. If nobody receives a majority of the vote before the end of the voting phase, I will announce that nobody has been lynched. When either somebody has been lynched or the voting phase ends, I will announce that the voting phase has ended and the night phase has begun. I will also state when the night phase will end.

Any questions people have during the game can be asked in this thread, in the day phase thread if it is currently the day phase, or via PM. I would prefer that you ask any role-related questions via PM to prevent cheating, though this is not strictly necessary.

The game ends once either all the town or all the mafia are dead. Once this happens, the game will end and I will announce the results in the discussion and voting phase thread. The results consist of who won and a complete role list. After the game is over, the discussion and voting phase thread will be archived, and players may discuss their thoughts on the game in this main thread. We will generally start planning the next game and pick the next GM and "hall monitor" at this time.

Mayor: The mayor may reveal themselves anytime during the day phase. After they are revealed, their vote counts as 3 votes.
Detective: The detective may visit one person every night. They learn the faction--town, mafia, or neutral--of the person they visit.
Doctor: The doctor may protect one person from being killed every night. They have two self-heals.
Medium: The medium can communicate with the dead. They will be part of the dead chat. While they can always see the dead chat, they are only allowed to talk to the dead at night. After they die, they will be able to send one message. They may choose who to send this message to at any time. The message will be sent at night.
Lookout: The lookout may visit one person each night. They will see who visits that person. The Lookout has a night chat with the Tracker.
Tracker: The tracker may visit one person each night and see who that person visits. The Tracker has a night chat with the Lookout.
3 normal townies

Mafia and Neutral
2 Mafiosos: The mafia vote on who to kill each night. They may decide who visits the target. If they do not choose, one of them will be randomly picked.
Consort: Mafia-aligned. The consort may visit one person each night. The person they visit can not use their night ability and will be told that they were blocked. If there are no other mafia alive, the Consort becomes a Mafioso.
Executioner: Neutral. The executioner gets a randomized town-aligned target at the beginning of the game. Their goal is to make sure that person is lynched. If their target dies at night, they become a Jester. The Jester's goal is to be lynched. Both the Jester and the Executioner are immune to night kills.
Survivor: Neutral. The survivor's goal is to survive throughout the game. They get three self-heals that they can use at night.
 
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Uh @Joan, are you sure that is a good idea? I think lynching the jester is too big of a gamble, especially when he hasn't exactly shown to be team-friendly. Also, if I'm wrong on my guess and someone else is mafia, then we lose three members between this voting and night phase. One to mafia, one to the jester and our hanging. That leaves four members if we mess this up. No matter what, we would lose two members ( either neutral or town) and our jester. That would make it so that we have on the next day, 1 mafia, and 3 other roles. If the survivor lives ( and they aren't siding with us) or town is tricked, it leaves a 2 to 2 split. Mafia kills one more night. We got a 2 versus 1 and it would be a big gamble. At least with hanging someone like 7.39, we don't make that gamble. Worse case, I'm wrong and we lose one more member, but at that point, we can see who is left that could be fronting as mafia.
I am admittedly biased because I know J personally, have played several games of Town of Salem with him, and trust him as a friend, and because I believe that he kind of deserves to win because he's too damn smart and nearly accomplished his goal the previous day. That being said, it is a gamble, but my vote stands unless either @Starlighter confirms that our strategy does not work within the rules or @7.39 comes forward with a convincing defense and I have to rethink who I think is mafia. As it is, @7.39 has failed to respond to multiple requests to defend themselves and yet posted on the Iwaku discord just today, so I am not particularly inclined to trust them.
 
I may be wrong, but I'm voting for @7.39 ( I'm sorry if you are town and Cloudy is mafia)

I'm voting for @The_J, as promised.

Vote for The J, assuming that's allowed.
I can't say we've ever had an instance of someone voting for themselves before, but I don't see any reason to forbid it.


Total votes thus far:
Two votes for @7.39, two more are needed for a lynch.

Two votes for @The_J, two more are needed for a lynch.

Actually, @Starlighter, I have a question. Is the jester still getting his night kill and if yes, can it only be people who vote him up?

Because if the answer to that is yes, then our strategy doesn't work.
Yes, the Jester will have the option of killing someone after they die; they may only choose from those who voted for them.
 
Guys, just vote for me and we can get this over and done with, super simple. Joan makes great points about this.
 
So, @Joan, that means that he can only vote amongst those who vote him up. ( And 7.39 hasn't voted all game... which means this strategy is going to go really south really fast)
 
So, @Joan, that means that he can only vote amongst those who vote him up. ( And 7.39 hasn't voted all game... which means this strategy is going to go really south really fast)
I could just kill you. You've pushed several times for stalling before I immediately told you why that's an awful idea because it's in the maf's favour. Even when masquerading as a townie, that's one of the few things I said that was the truth.
If you're a townie, then vote for me.
 
If you're a townie, then vote for me.

No, that would be the worst move for town. YOU can only kill in those who vote for you. So, if my belief that 7.39 is a mafia is true, then YOU can't kill them because they won't vote for you. it would leave your choices to ONLY those who helped to lynch you. If the mafia is smart, they won't vote you up. No vote up, YOU can't kill them. Also, I'm not pulling this out of nowhere, look a few posts up. Starlighter has directly said this.
 
Yes, the Jester will have the option of killing someone after they die; they may only choose from those who voted for them.
In that case, that strategy sadly doesn't work...dammit. Sorry, @The_J...I still want to make this work, though...ugh.

J, will you agree not to kill anybody if we vote you up? Assuming the mafia kill tonight, we'd be left with five people. One is mafia, one is survivor, and three are town. We will still have majority, and it gives Pen and I a chance to locate the remaining mafia. They can't kill us both.
 
J, will you agree not to kill anybody if we vote you up? Assuming the mafia kill tonight, we'd be left with five people. One is mafia, one is survivor, and three are town. We will still have majority, and it gives Pen and I a chance to locate the remaining mafia. They can't kill us both.

That is true. However, our survivor isn't going to do voting with us next round, so that may be very problematic. We would need 3 votes that all agree on who the mafia is and the investigating goes wrong or nothing turns up, well, then we will have a problem. It's also trusting that the jester, who you know, tried to kill yesterday instead of the actual legitmate mafia despite the evidence. I'm sorry, @Joan, but these gambles are way too late in the game. On top of the fact that it's a big gamble, I don't trust @The_J to not screw over town. Their win means it doesn't matter who wins or loses the game as their win is secured. Right now, we have a bigger majority ( 4 towns, 1 mafia and 2 neutral) and it makes the survivor want to side as it is a bigger majority, The smaller and smaller, the gap gets, the less likely they will vote with us. They ONLY promised to vote if we lynch today. The absolute worst case is that 7.39 isn't mafia and we have to rethink who is mafia and who is town, but today we have the biggest chance of winning. Why let another town die when we can get just end it now?
 
That is true. However, our survivor isn't going to do voting with us next round, so that may be very problematic. We would need 3 votes that all agree on who the mafia is and the investigating goes wrong or nothing turns up, well, then we will have a problem. It's also trusting that the jester, who you know, tried to kill yesterday instead of the actual legitmate mafia despite the evidence. I'm sorry, @Joan, but these gambles are way too late in the game. On top of the fact that it's a big gamble, I don't trust @The_J to not screw over town. Their win means it doesn't matter who wins or loses the game as their win is secured. Right now, we have a bigger majority ( 4 towns, 1 mafia and 2 neutral) and it makes the survivor want to side as it is a bigger majority, The smaller and smaller, the gap gets, the less likely they will vote with us. They ONLY promised to vote if we lynch today. The absolute worst case is that 7.39 isn't mafia and we have to rethink who is mafia and who is town, but today we have the biggest chance of winning. Why let another town die when we can get just end it now?
I think that we have a bigger chance of catching mafia this way, quite simply. Yes, J was pushing to lynch me, but as jester, that makes perfect sense for him. I can very easily see the logic behind it--I get lynched, I flip town, he gets lynched, maybe with Angui being lynched in between. It was his most surefire shot at winning. He very nearly succeeded, but I can not blame him for trying to lynch me, since it is his job as jester to get lynched. Blaming him for trying to get me lynched and treating it as attempting to throw the town off when the sole goal of the jester is to get lynched and lynching me was the fastest way to do that is a little ridiculous, in my opinion.
If we're wrong about @7.39, assuming the mafia avoid the survivor, we lose two town tonight. We'll be down to five, but the ratio will be one mafia, two neutral, and two town. We will not get majority. If we're right, we win, sure, but it is a risk I am not willing to take unless absolutely necessary. If J agrees not to kill anybody and we lynch him, we'll still give the mafia a free kill, but we will have three town, a mafia, and a survivor, and Pen and I will have a chance to investigate. Odds are that we will learn something, because even if Pen or I dies, we do get information (we've confirmed this with Star), and the mafia cannot kill us both. If nothing else, we will learn who isn't mafia, and that will narrow the pool if nothing else.
We will lose if we do not lynch before tomorrow. That is certain. But if we lynch J, we get another day to figure out who to lynch. I find that people are much more willing to agree if they know that it's the only way they can survive, as well, so I'm not as worried about failing to get a majority tomorrow if we lynch J.
 
Okay, then wouldn't it be better to NOT lynch at all in this case? I'll rescind my vote, but only if we agree that NOBODY gets hung today. If anything, may I make a suggestion for your strategy for tonight? I think one of you should watch/ track me and the other can track/watch @CloudyBlueDay. It will allow you to confirm both of our roles and if one of us gets visited and wind up dead, you will know who the mafia is. If you watch and see one of us leave, you know we were lying. I know you don't trust me, but I would recommend watching me and tracking CloudyBlueDay. Like 7.39, I don't trust them. Also, watching me will ensure that if I am telling the truth, then I can be avenged. Right now, a smart mafia wouldn't be targeting you as you are the obvious kill and your finds are still going to be found no matter what. If you want to do it the other way around, it's fine with me. Either way, you can confirm I'm on your side and if the mafia kills CloudyBlueDay, then we will know. It seems like the best strategy to me. @Joan.
 
In that case, that strategy sadly doesn't work...dammit. Sorry, @The_J...I still want to make this work, though...ugh.

J, will you agree not to kill anybody if we vote you up? Assuming the mafia kill tonight, we'd be left with five people. One is mafia, one is survivor, and three are town. We will still have majority, and it gives Pen and I a chance to locate the remaining mafia. They can't kill us both.
I solemnly swear to not kill anyone at all once you all vote for me. Thanks for aguing my case btw, I hadn't even thought of some of the things that you mentioned but they're fantastic points.
 
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Okay, then wouldn't it be better to NOT lynch at all in this case? I'll rescind my vote, but only if we agree that NOBODY gets hung today. If anything, may I make a suggestion for your strategy for tonight? I think one of you should watch/ track me and the other can track/watch @CloudyBlueDay. It will allow you to confirm both of our roles and if one of us gets visited and wind up dead, you will know who the mafia is. If you watch and see one of us leave, you know we were lying. I know you don't trust me, but I would recommend watching me and tracking CloudyBlueDay. Like 7.39, I don't trust them. Also, watching me will ensure that if I am telling the truth, then I can be avenged. Right now, a smart mafia wouldn't be targeting you as you are the obvious kill and your finds are still going to be found no matter what. If you want to do it the other way around, it's fine with me. Either way, you can confirm I'm on your side and if the mafia kills CloudyBlueDay, then we will know. It seems like the best strategy to me. @Joan.
if I've understood Joan correctly, lynching me gives you lot an extra night to survive.
 
Okay, then wouldn't it be better to NOT lynch at all in this case? I'll rescind my vote, but only if we agree that NOBODY gets hung today. If anything, may I make a suggestion for your strategy for tonight? I think one of you should watch/ track me and the other can track/watch @CloudyBlueDay. It will allow you to confirm both of our roles and if one of us gets visited and wind up dead, you will know who the mafia is. If you watch and see one of us leave, you know we were lying. I know you don't trust me, but I would recommend watching me and tracking CloudyBlueDay. Like 7.39, I don't trust them. Also, watching me will ensure that if I am telling the truth, then I can be avenged. Right now, a smart mafia wouldn't be targeting you as you are the obvious kill and your finds are still going to be found no matter what. If you want to do it the other way around, it's fine with me. Either way, you can confirm I'm on your side and if the mafia kills CloudyBlueDay, then we will know. It seems like the best strategy to me. @Joan.
...When have I said I didn't trust you? I've said that your role isn't confirmed, yes, but I haven't ever said I didn't trust you. Also, I think you slightly misunderstand how our roles work--me watching somebody does not confirm their role by any means, except in Luster's case, where I saw them visit themselves. As I see it, a smart mafia would be killing either you or me, since we've been the most active in the discussion.
I want to lynch for two reasons--it will give J the win I think he deserves, and it will get the required votes down to 3 tomorrow instead of 4. We will not have four town tomorrow, we will have three. Therefore, it makes more sense to me to get the vote number required down to three.
 
Hmmm.... okay, then I'll change my vote to @The_J. ( You better not betray us or kill me)
 
I'm voting @7.39

I think the logic for voting for the jester is faulty at best. We gain real information by voting Cloudy or 7.

@Joan the medium seanced(?) me last night, so there's not actual way to relay any info if you or pen were to die with info.
 
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I'm voting @7.39

I think the logic for voting for the jester is faulty at best. We gain real information by voting Cloudy or 7.

@Joan the medium seanced(?) me last night, so there's not actual way to relay any info if you or pen were to die with info.
And if we vote Cloudy or 7.39 and are wrong, we are dead. If we do not lynch anybody today, we are likely dead, especially since you promised to not vote tomorrow. Lynching J gives us another day to gather information. It is our best chance at survival.
Pen and I share a night chat. We see what the other sees. The mafia cannot kill us both. Therefore, we will get full information tonight even if one of us dies. @Starlighter can confirm this.
If the medium seanced you, what did she tell you?
 
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You're working under the assumption that J will keep their word and that they aren't forced to lynch someone like in ToS.

I promised not to vote tomorrow if town doesn't do something. I might just not vote tonight and decide to side with maf.

I just think we can actually end this thing now, and instead, you're pushing to extend it. J doesn't get to win just because they're a super great person.
 
You're working under the assumption that J will keep their word and that they aren't forced to lynch someone like in ToS.

I promised not to vote tomorrow if town doesn't do something. I might just not vote tonight and decide to side with maf.

I just think we can actually end this thing now, and instead, you're pushing to extend it. J doesn't get to win just because they're a super great person.
You are not forced to kill anybody in Town of Salem if you don't want to. And yes, I am working under the assumption J will keep his word, because I know him personally and have seen how he plays these kinds of games. I admit that there is a definite bias there.

If you turn on us, then that gives us more reason than ever to lynch J. If we lynch J and he doesn't kill anybody, mafia will not be able to get that majority even if you side with mafia. But I would like to note that we cannot get majority without you tomorrow if we do nothing, since you promised you wouldn't vote then, so we gain nothing from you by waiting. And in any case, I trust you less to keep your word than I trust J.

We can end this tonight if we get the right person. If we don't, we are dead. I was willing to take that risk before I figured out a way to give us enough time, but now I'm not as willing to take that risk. If I become absolutely convinced that we're not going to have enough votes to lynch J, then fine, I'll vote for 7.39. But I think this is less of a risk than lynching 7.39. I am admittedly very biased since I know J, so that risk-benefit calculation is going to be different for everybody else, but this is my first choice.
 
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