I asked because I'm a Philosoraptor in secret and had a conversation recently that went a little like this— [5:40:18 PM] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯: and “swear to me. swear to me that everything that you said about the fireflies was true.” "I swear." [5:41:00 PM] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯: I’ve since grown to love and prefer games that give me the cathartic “…oh.” feeling at the end lmao [5:41:51 PM] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯: and then I read people going “Joel chose to save a little girl over humanity? Bullshit!” and I feel like they missed the entire point of the story [5:42:28 PM] : the saddest part of TLOU was when Sarah died [5:42:31 PM] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯: people don’t like realistic endings to anything they watch, so I understand [5:42:32 PM] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯: oh yeah [5:42:38 PM] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯: and fucking naughty dog putting that in the prologue [5:42:44 PM] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯: hats off to them [5:42:54 PM] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯: mad props, the assholes [5:43:21 PM] : so in some, ellie sort of became like a daughter to Joel. I think he called her Baby Girl. ugh. Joel [5:43:26 PM] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯: I just find in-your-face realism in things refreshing when everything is made into some happy ending to appease the viewers [5:44:08 PM] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯: Persona 3, The Last of Us, TWD, and games like them had endings that were in no way happy at all but they still moved every single person that played the games [5:45:04 PM] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯: and people lambaste them because “humanity! Joel’s an ass!”—this is true, in that view, but imo people that say these things haven’t really looked at themselves or humanity in the way that those games require [5:45:43 PM] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯: morality is not black and white. it’s not cut and dry. people talk in shoulds, not wills, so a grand amount of people act like a hypothetical is what they would 100% do without thinking about who they would be in the situation of the characters [5:46:25 PM] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯: it’s because many people don’t want to be seen as amoral or immoral or a monster by society because they aren’t doing or saying they would do the most right thing in every situation real or hypothetical [5:47:20 PM] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯: and they don’t realize that as individuals and as humanity, we are not an amazing species. we destroy everything we touch—and while there are many amazing people pushing us forward, there are mounds more that give humanity its sobering definition of predator [5:47:53 PM] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯: so when people say that they would without a doubt save someone or loads of people as a kneejerk reaction to a hypothetical, I tend to think they’re lying until they can prove otherwise [5:48:07 PM] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯: bystander syndrome would not exist if this was truly the case [5:48:37 PM] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯: we can all speak about what we would or should do but when it comes down to it, only a very rare and small handful of people would actually do it, and those people probably aren’t thinking about “what would I do if x?” they’d just do it. [5:49:25 PM] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯: it’s the wondering and “shoulds” and “woulds” that shackle people to being unable to help others, where those who don’t allow those things to hold them back are the ones that actually do what everyone else say they “would” [5:50:25 PM] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯: we’re all equal. we’re all the same as everyone else. fundamentally, I think we’re all amoral (I can elaborate). but it’s in admitting that none of us are gods or better than others for arbitrary reasons that we can see things more clearly [5:51:52 PM] : girl. you’re going in deep and im not even sure if you’re still talking about TLOU still or about something else lol [5:53:11 PM] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯: meh. the themes there underlie tlou pretty strongly [5:56:31 PM] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯: I mean, most of people’s problems with TLOU lies in what Joel did and why and their disagreement with it, but I rarely see people who go any deeper than “I wouldn’t do that, no way no how, no matter what” and tend to bristle if someone asks “but are you sure?” [5:59:52 PM | Edited 6:00:05 PM] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯: people, their psychology, humanity, life none of those things are static, which seems to be the headspace (that they are static) people go into when speculating about moral situations. there are just too many variables to know what you or anyone else would do in any situation, and saying “I would do the best thing” about the hypotheticals does nothing but serve as comfort. [6:00:43 PM] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯: words don’t determine what a moral paragon or great person someone is. their actions do. —and I wondered what kind of weird 1,000-year-old philosophical things other people spew at random. I want to see the splendor of your souls, Iwoks. Feed me your inner Keanu Reeves.