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So just wondering what you guys think about this?
So just wondering what you guys think about this?
The sexiest disease of them all! I'll bet if that starts going around, all those women will be fighting over which one of there kids is getting vaccinated first.Let's bring back Lepresy!
The problem with the anti-vaccine movement, though, is that it isn't just the anti-vaccers who are at risk for all these diseases they're bringing back. I mean, firstly, I certainly wouldn't want the innocent children of anti-vaccer parents to catch any of these awful diseases just because their parents said no. And then, beyond that -- there are plenty of people, kids and adults, who just can't get vaccines, for a number of reasons. Some people are allergic to certain compounds in the vaccine, some people have a crippling fear of needles (I'm talking legit phobia levels) that makes getting a vaccine way too stressful of an experience. And these people certainly exist -- I've met people from both camps. And in both cases, these were people who understood that vaccines were good and who knew that they otherwise should get vaccines, but... given their circumstances, I certainly couldn't blame them for not getting vaccinated.Nope. Not going to get into it! I'm just going to say that I completely despise the entire anti-vaccination movement, and I hope they all end up with hooping cough. >_>
Let's not forget that getting vaccinated doesn't make you immune to any one disease, it just makes you far less likely to get it. However, if the people around you stop getting vaccinated, then the likelihood of getting sick goes up quite a bit. Anti-vaccinators are putting more than a relatively small group of people at risk, if things keep going at this rate, the entire population is at risk for getting a whole slew of potentially deadly diseases that are otherwise easily avoidable. It's really sad the amount of people who don't understand the concept of herd immunity, because I'd imagine that if they did, we wouldn't be having this problem right now. Honestly, why isn't the government trying to education people about this?
No, this video isn't actually supporting the anti-vaccine movement, because that would be stupid -- but it does do a pretty good job of explaining how this movement got started and why so many people are buying into it.
The problem with the anti-vaccine movement, though, is that it isn't just the anti-vaccers who are at risk for all these diseases they're bringing back. I mean, firstly, I certainly wouldn't want the innocent children of anti-vaccer parents to catch any of these awful diseases just because their parents said no. And then, beyond that -- there are plenty of people, kids and adults, who just can't get vaccines, for a number of reasons. Some people are allergic to certain compounds in the vaccine, some people have a crippling fear of needles (I'm talking legit phobia levels) that makes getting a vaccine way too stressful of an experience. And these people certainly exist -- I've met people from both camps. And in both cases, these were people who understood that vaccines were good and who knew that they otherwise should get vaccines, but... given their circumstances, I certainly couldn't blame them for not getting vaccinated.
Now, here's the thing -- normally, these people, even though they can't get vaccines, are protected by herd immunity. Even though they aren't vaccinated, everyone around them is -- which means that the disease is very unlikely to spread to them in the first place. So, if everyone who could get vaccinated did do so, then the people who unfortunately can't get vaccinations would still be fine. The problem is that the anti-vaccine movement is causing a lot more people to not get vaccinated, which means that herd immunity isn't working anymore. The people who can't get vaccines now are at risk, because of people stupidly buying into the anti-vaccine movement.
So, while I know that all you meant to say was "I hope the anti-vaccers catch these horrible diseases because they deserve it", let's not forget that anti-vaccers not only put themselves at risk, but also put their innocent children at risk (exposing them to diseases that could be fatal -- much more fatal to infants than adults, anyway), and they also do the same to plenty of kids and adults who would be getting vaccinated if not for allergies or phobias that make it either impossible or unfeasibly difficult for them to do so. And... yeah, I wouldn't wish this kind of shit on any of those innocent people. >_> I mean I hate to pull out the ol' "think of the children" cliche, but... seriously, think of the children. @_@ The anti-vaccine movement is some seriously bad fucking news that's putting lives at stake. Lives that don't really have a say in all of this.
Let's not forget that getting vaccinated doesn't make you immune to any one disease, it just makes you far less likely to get it. However, if the people around you stop getting vaccinated, then the likelihood of getting sick goes up quite a bit. Anti-vaccinators are putting more than a relatively small group of people at risk, if things keep going at this rate, the entire population is at risk for getting a whole slew of potentially deadly diseases that are otherwise easily avoidable. It's really sad the amount of people who don't understand the concept of herd immunity, because I'd imagine that if they did, we wouldn't be having this problem right now. Honestly, why isn't the government trying to education people about this?
Because the people following the anti-vaccine movement wouldn't trust the government, anyway. It would just be perceived as more propaganda, and more attempts at "covering up the truth", and would be promptly disregarded.Let's not forget that getting vaccinated doesn't make you immune to any one disease, it just makes you far less likely to get it. However, if the people around you stop getting vaccinated, then the likelihood of getting sick goes up quite a bit. Anti-vaccinators are putting more than a relatively small group of people at risk, if things keep going at this rate, the entire population is at risk for getting a whole slew of potentially deadly diseases that are otherwise easily avoidable. It's really sad the amount of people who don't understand the concept of herd immunity, because I'd imagine that if they did, we wouldn't be having this problem right now. Honestly, why isn't the government trying to education people about this?
My Mom is actually one of the Anti-Vac people and the fact the doctor lost his license is actually a reason she does listen to him.There is no real link to autism, the man who claimed it and published the find has been discredited and lost his medical licence, yet people quote him like gospel.
I'd have to disagree with this being a valid defence though.some people have a crippling fear of needles (I'm talking legit phobia levels)
Yes, because it's totally practical to put people under anesthesia every single flu season. >_> I'm sorry, but it just isn't practical for a lot of people, and I can understand why they wouldn't want to go through the hassle of it. (Never mind the fact that being put under with anesthetic always has a slight risk to it, so undergoing anesthesia an unnecessary number of times is really not recommended.)I'd have to disagree with this being a valid defence though.
If that big a deal they can take it while asleep.
Even if it's terrifying they're doing the same stuff the Anti-vaccers do.
They make themselves an exception, and rely on others to cover them, while they themselves remain a medical danger to those around them.
Yes, because it's totally practical to put people under anesthesia every single flu season.
I'm not talking the one's that avoid people taking sick days, I'm talking the lethal diseases here.Is it a reason for people to go anti-vaccine? Nope. Is it a reason to limit yourself to the vaccines for lethal diseases and be more critical of the field? I'd say so.
I never said they were just as bad, I said they had the same effect.And, I'm sorry, but I think telling people with phobias of needles that they're just as bad as anti-vaccers
Ok, I'll grant that one.not being able to afford it
^The best visual I've seen as to why being Anti-Vax is completely idiotic.
Even if we the "Vaccines cause Autism" rumour was true.
Now, I will grant the anti-vac movement one thing. Incidents like the H1N1 proved the quality of them are not perfect, that there was a clear case/incident that a lot of awful effects snuck through testing because public panic demanded that the vaccine got made quickly. Is it a reason for people to go anti-vaccine? Nope. Is it a reason to limit yourself to the vaccines for lethal diseases and be more critical of the field? I'd say so.
My Mom is actually one of the Anti-Vac people and the fact the doctor lost his license is actually a reason she does listen to him.
They don't view the loss of license as "This guy isn't legit" but rather they go full on conspiracy mode and view it as "This guy gave up his Career for us! And the Doctors try to cover it up! This man's a hero!".
I'd find it rather hilarious if it was wasn't an actual view among my own family members. o_o
I'd have to disagree with this being a valid defence though.
If that big a deal they can take it while asleep.
Even if it's terrifying they're doing the same stuff the Anti-vaccers do.
They make themselves an exception, and rely on others to cover them, while they themselves remain a medical danger to those around them.
Aren't the more lethal diseases usually the ones that people are vaccinated against when they're an infant, though?I'm not talking the one's that avoid people taking sick days, I'm talking the lethal diseases here.
Except, they don't. Like I said, prior to the anti-vaccine movement, people with crippling phobias were basically in the same boat as people with allergies -- a small handful of people who would get vaccinated but can't, and who are protected by herd immunity, therefore making it so that those few people not being vaccinated really isn't a problem at all. It's the anti-vaccine movement that's putting other people at risk, because it's a movement, not an isolated handful of people. It's encouraging other people to not get vaccinated, and it means that children who have no say in what's going on also aren't being vaccinated, despite them being at a way higher risk of dying from a lot of these diseases than adults.I never said they were just as bad, I said they had the same effect.
My oldest daughter has a serious phobia about needles. It took me and six nurses to hold her down for her to get her 7th grade immunizations. Fortunately, she's pretty much done until she's ready to go to college. X_xIf they didn't put me under when they literally stabbed an 1/8 inch drain tube through my abdomin (they only used numbing ointments; I fucking almost screamed in agony), they aren't going to do it for someone who has a fear of needles.
My oldest daughter has a serious phobia about needles. It took me and six nurses to hold her down for her to get her 7th grade immunizations. Fortunately, she's pretty much done until she's ready to go to college. X_x
Usually. But then there can be two exceptions.Aren't the more lethal diseases usually the ones that people are vaccinated against when they're an infant, though?
Personally though I don't like anyone relying on Herd Immunity unless if it's an outright medical necessity.People with these kinds of phobias were protected by herd immunity before the anti-vaccine movement was a problem.
I get they aren't actively trying to make the situation worse.The only thing these people have in common with anti-vaccers is that they themselves aren't getting vaccinated. They differ in the sense that they aren't getting vaccinated because of factors that they can't really control, and they differ in the sense that they aren't encouraging other people to follow in their footsteps, or trying to stop their kids from getting vaccinated. In this way, they have a lot more in common with people who are allergic to vaccines than anti-vaccers.
That's.... That's really brutal. o_oIf they didn't put me under when they literally stabbed an 1/8 inch drain tube through my abdomin (they only used numbing ointments; I fucking almost screamed in agony), they aren't going to do it for someone who has a fear of needles.
I'm talking a lot less than 10%, I'm talking just the cases where for someone they didn't already get a lethal shot as a child.Imagine how overburdened hospitals would be if they had to put even 10% of people getting vaccinated under. At most I can see some anti anxiety medication, but past that? Doubtful.