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What are the greatest character examples of Good and Evil?
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I think everyone wanted to kill her.
Except the people who made Shattered Memories, apparently...
Except the people who made Shattered Memories, apparently...
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On the other hand, having the God or Alessa kill her was kinda satisfying, so that slightly eased my disappointment. SLIGHTLY.
Much like that Tsukihime anime some delusional people talk about, Shattered Memories doesn't exist in my world :)
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Pure evil? It doesn't get much worse than this lady, in my opinion.
Behold! Dahlia Gillespie from Silent Hill who set her own six years old daughter on fire. The said daughter pretty much burned to crisp, yet she kept her alive using magic for seven years, knowing full well she was in a constant agony the entire time, in preparation for a ritual that would allow her daughter to give birth to a god. Yeah, the god in question is about as benevolent and peaceful as you can probably imagine.
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Also, I had to think harder about example of pure good, but I think I found a good candidate. And that is, ladies and gentlemen, Carrot Ironfoundersson from Discworld. Sure, some of his good may come from naivety, but that doesn't change the fact he's probably THE most incorruptible person in the rotten city that is Ankh-Morpork. He used his idealism to fight the system (and miraculously, it worked somehow), disarmed everyone with his charm, was largely responsible for rehabilitation of city watch and always had the citizens' best interests at heart. You couldn't imagine a better cop if you tried.
"The king will come bringing Law and Justice, and know nothing but the Truth, and Protect and Serve the People with his Sword."
Easily the most accurate prophecy in the history of literature.
"The king will come bringing Law and Justice, and know nothing but the Truth, and Protect and Serve the People with his Sword."
Easily the most accurate prophecy in the history of literature.
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These are recent examples, but:
Ned Stark - he's so good that he's goddamn stupid. He does all the things that will break everything for no other reason than the fact that it was "right." He was even willing to plunge the world into war for the sake of justice, which sounds like something an antagonist would do, but no! There was absolutely no personal gain in it. Quite the opposite, actually.
Walter White - [start] miserable, good, badass, stuck, ummmwhatareyoudoingWalter, evil, regretful/depressed, good(???ish? Maybe not??? This is really debatable..) [end]
I hate black and whites. Pure good = unrealistic, pure evil = shallow character design. There are just darks and lights and all the areas inbetween.
Ned Stark - he's so good that he's goddamn stupid. He does all the things that will break everything for no other reason than the fact that it was "right." He was even willing to plunge the world into war for the sake of justice, which sounds like something an antagonist would do, but no! There was absolutely no personal gain in it. Quite the opposite, actually.
Walter White - [start] miserable, good, badass, stuck, ummmwhatareyoudoingWalter, evil, regretful/depressed, good(???ish? Maybe not??? This is really debatable..) [end]
I hate black and whites. Pure good = unrealistic, pure evil = shallow character design. There are just darks and lights and all the areas inbetween.
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*Changed my reply because first really wasn't all that relevant. Working on proper response
For me, there are many kinds of good and bad characters. I'll point out the good in my eyes, the truly good, and bad (though not bad as in terribly written, but as in evil)
The Good
Kenai
He made a huge mistake; he killed Koda's mother to get revenge for her killing his brother Sitka. But he turned and did what was right; he took care of Koda and gave up his life as a human to fix his error. While he made a serious lack of judgement, he confessed to doing something wrong when he realized what he was made into a bear to learn.
Firestar
Throughout the series, he does everything he can to retain peace among the clans while still seeking out justice for those who are killed unjustly. He's just a typical good guy.
Jean ValJean
He proved that just letting go and moving forward is worth the effort. He started out as a hateful man who wanted nothing to do with the world around him, but he gave up everything to care for a child that wasn't even his. He rose her and he became one of the iconic image of forgiveness.
Maybe it's my love of the film or that he shows what justice to me is. He wants the best for his fellow peasants, and gets tired of some bigwig muscling in on their misfortunes. He robs the rich and gives to the poor, and does his best to help the people. There could be a flaw in my view points, but shmeh.
Truly bad characters
Frollo
This guy; he is the meaning of cruel. First he condemns a whole race (I am really, really surprised that Disney got away with this as the entire lusting after a woman and all the religious themes to it) and carried out a genocide of a people, causing them to go into hiding. He kills a man's only parent, and locks him for the rest of his life in a tower away from human contact but his own and fills his head with cruel words and makes him think that all he'll ever be is an ugly brute. He's willing to do just about anything to get what he wants, and enjoys the torture of them. I think Frollo really is one of the evilest characters out there.
Voldemort
Voldmort is supposed to be one of those traditional bad guys and I can honestly see no redeemable quality in him. Did you know that he cannot produce a patronus? Yes! Because a patronus requires a happy memory, and love. Both of which he lacked because he split his soul into seven different pieces, he's incapable of even starting one. "You will hear many of his Death Eaters claiming that they are in his confidence, that they alone are close to him, even understand him. They are deluded. Lord Voldemort has never had a friend, nor do I believe that he has ever wanted one."
Without a second thought, he kills many, many people in his lust for power and control. He is the meaning of hate in all forms, and if not the worst bad guy fiction may have seen. It is Harry's spell that was a deflection that killed him.
Oh and we've been pronouncing his name wrong, the 't' is silent.
I'm sure I'll think of more when I am sleeping/about to sleep and will add them later, but that's my say.
For me, there are many kinds of good and bad characters. I'll point out the good in my eyes, the truly good, and bad (though not bad as in terribly written, but as in evil)
The Good
Kenai
He made a huge mistake; he killed Koda's mother to get revenge for her killing his brother Sitka. But he turned and did what was right; he took care of Koda and gave up his life as a human to fix his error. While he made a serious lack of judgement, he confessed to doing something wrong when he realized what he was made into a bear to learn.
Firestar
Throughout the series, he does everything he can to retain peace among the clans while still seeking out justice for those who are killed unjustly. He's just a typical good guy.
Jean ValJean
He proved that just letting go and moving forward is worth the effort. He started out as a hateful man who wanted nothing to do with the world around him, but he gave up everything to care for a child that wasn't even his. He rose her and he became one of the iconic image of forgiveness.
Maybe it's my love of the film or that he shows what justice to me is. He wants the best for his fellow peasants, and gets tired of some bigwig muscling in on their misfortunes. He robs the rich and gives to the poor, and does his best to help the people. There could be a flaw in my view points, but shmeh.
Truly bad characters
Frollo
This guy; he is the meaning of cruel. First he condemns a whole race (I am really, really surprised that Disney got away with this as the entire lusting after a woman and all the religious themes to it) and carried out a genocide of a people, causing them to go into hiding. He kills a man's only parent, and locks him for the rest of his life in a tower away from human contact but his own and fills his head with cruel words and makes him think that all he'll ever be is an ugly brute. He's willing to do just about anything to get what he wants, and enjoys the torture of them. I think Frollo really is one of the evilest characters out there.
Voldemort
Voldmort is supposed to be one of those traditional bad guys and I can honestly see no redeemable quality in him. Did you know that he cannot produce a patronus? Yes! Because a patronus requires a happy memory, and love. Both of which he lacked because he split his soul into seven different pieces, he's incapable of even starting one. "You will hear many of his Death Eaters claiming that they are in his confidence, that they alone are close to him, even understand him. They are deluded. Lord Voldemort has never had a friend, nor do I believe that he has ever wanted one."
Without a second thought, he kills many, many people in his lust for power and control. He is the meaning of hate in all forms, and if not the worst bad guy fiction may have seen. It is Harry's spell that was a deflection that killed him.
Oh and we've been pronouncing his name wrong, the 't' is silent.
I'm sure I'll think of more when I am sleeping/about to sleep and will add them later, but that's my say.
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I actually really love Frollo... and I think it's amazing that Disney got away with his existence. His evil is fear-based and hate-based, and that lust? Even if it's just for a little, he despises himself for it; he's aware of that part of his evilness.
Though maybe I'm biased - I LOVED that movie - except for the gargoyles... =.=;;
I actually really love Frollo... and I think it's amazing that Disney got away with his existence. His evil is fear-based and hate-based, and that lust? Even if it's just for a little, he despises himself for it; he's aware of that part of his evilness.
Though maybe I'm biased - I LOVED that movie - except for the gargoyles... =.=;;
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I loved Crocodile from One Piece. That was a superbly written villain to me. Able to manipulate both the world government and the government of a nation to be set up in a position of freedom and power where he could masterfully behind the scenes incite a full civil war in the nation's populace between the people and its king before he'd put a stop to it, all in the search of a weapon of even greater power. Growing and recruiting a shadowy organisation of some of the most sinister and powerful individuals possible. Being the first real majorly powerful obstacle in the hero's path and being so overwhelmingly powerful in comparison that it took a full three fights for Luffy to actually defeat him, with the tension and adrenaline between each fight only pumping up, and up, and up. Seriously, the aftermath of that first fight was shocking - I don't believe there was a character Luffy had actually lost to prior to that moment, and he got his ass completely kicked. And then kicked AGAIN.
Dude had a balling scheme in general, but it was some of the smaller, more nefarious moments that won my respect and love to hate for the character. The part where he managed to capture the Strawhats and throw them into an unbreakable cage quickly being filled with overflowing water, and throwing the key to the cage into the gaping maw of one of his pet bananigators, to thus force the nation's princess, Vivi, to have to fight against a whole swarm of these ferocious beasts just to try and find the one small tiny key for the cage from the right monster's stomach in time as he walks away laughing...
...to reveal to his subordinate as he's doing so that the key he threw was actually a fake and he still held onto the real one, well, fuck you man. <3
He also owns his own fucking casino. Goddamn.
One Piece has had some utterly fantastic villains, but Crocodile has always been the best. It was him and the entire Baroque Works saga that elevated the series from great to the best. The tension, emotions, feels and stakes of the whole story was incredible. Series is a masterpiece.
Dude had a balling scheme in general, but it was some of the smaller, more nefarious moments that won my respect and love to hate for the character. The part where he managed to capture the Strawhats and throw them into an unbreakable cage quickly being filled with overflowing water, and throwing the key to the cage into the gaping maw of one of his pet bananigators, to thus force the nation's princess, Vivi, to have to fight against a whole swarm of these ferocious beasts just to try and find the one small tiny key for the cage from the right monster's stomach in time as he walks away laughing...
...to reveal to his subordinate as he's doing so that the key he threw was actually a fake and he still held onto the real one, well, fuck you man. <3
He also owns his own fucking casino. Goddamn.
One Piece has had some utterly fantastic villains, but Crocodile has always been the best. It was him and the entire Baroque Works saga that elevated the series from great to the best. The tension, emotions, feels and stakes of the whole story was incredible. Series is a masterpiece.
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Tomie was, at me at least, the ultimate female evil in it's most primal of forms; Lust. Unfiltered, unrestrained, savage desire.
An ancient god, an alien lifeform, a supernatural force, or just a genetic mutation, Tomie can bend the will of most men(and some women) to kneel at her feet, to treat as a her plaything. She is perverse inversion of the Triple Goddess; she lures the hearts of the lustful to complete worship of her, forsaking self and others to bask in her presence. Then after she knows you are under her kneel, she brings it down in full force, crushing egos and humiliating your patheticness to think that a such a lowly worm like you even thought it could be elevated to someone of her stature. Then the most insidious part of her psychological warfare approaches it's end game, driven mad by humiliation and emasculation, rage overtakes you, the humiliation turns into utter hatred, and with a passion so intense it could only come from the source of an obsessive love, you slaughter her. You rip her to pieces. You wound her like how she wounded you; you leave her in tiny pieces, like the pieces of your heart that she so callously shattered.
You just killed and dismembered what might possibly the closest thing you have ever been to a goddess. Your heart stings with the double pronged spear of the pain of rejection from the only thing you ever wanted and the slaying of such a beautiful creature. Unable to deal with the massive psychological toll of such a heinous act, and still utterly in love with her, you decide that you can't just leave her here to rot in the forest. At least not all of her. As a grim Trophy, you take her head home, a macabre keepsake of the woman you once loved more than any things you ever known. Even in death does she look ever lovely, as you keep her head on your kitchen table, it almost seems like she is still here with you. And when you sleep... You swear you can still hear her call your name...
Tomie is perhaps one of the most evil female characters of all time because she not only is unbelievably cruel and selfish, but she invokes the dark, primal, savage instincts that lies in the heart of men(And women) while at the same time taking away the power of significance from others to point of nonexistence. She is a primal evil because she amplify what is at the core of our very being, the need to procreate, and perverts it her own enjoyment, waving around her deprivation of attention of those whom aren't taken in by her wiles like a bludgeon to further her malicious intent to divide humanity in half.
The scariest part of it all?
You swore you saw Tomie on your way back from the forest, walking pass you by the street just ever so briefly before disappearing into a crowd.
But when you get back home, the still bleeding head is still in your backpack.
It was just your eyes deceiving on you, I mean you did just suffer through a rather traumatic event.
You're pretty sure it was just a trick of the mind, right?
An ancient god, an alien lifeform, a supernatural force, or just a genetic mutation, Tomie can bend the will of most men(and some women) to kneel at her feet, to treat as a her plaything. She is perverse inversion of the Triple Goddess; she lures the hearts of the lustful to complete worship of her, forsaking self and others to bask in her presence. Then after she knows you are under her kneel, she brings it down in full force, crushing egos and humiliating your patheticness to think that a such a lowly worm like you even thought it could be elevated to someone of her stature. Then the most insidious part of her psychological warfare approaches it's end game, driven mad by humiliation and emasculation, rage overtakes you, the humiliation turns into utter hatred, and with a passion so intense it could only come from the source of an obsessive love, you slaughter her. You rip her to pieces. You wound her like how she wounded you; you leave her in tiny pieces, like the pieces of your heart that she so callously shattered.
You just killed and dismembered what might possibly the closest thing you have ever been to a goddess. Your heart stings with the double pronged spear of the pain of rejection from the only thing you ever wanted and the slaying of such a beautiful creature. Unable to deal with the massive psychological toll of such a heinous act, and still utterly in love with her, you decide that you can't just leave her here to rot in the forest. At least not all of her. As a grim Trophy, you take her head home, a macabre keepsake of the woman you once loved more than any things you ever known. Even in death does she look ever lovely, as you keep her head on your kitchen table, it almost seems like she is still here with you. And when you sleep... You swear you can still hear her call your name...
Tomie is perhaps one of the most evil female characters of all time because she not only is unbelievably cruel and selfish, but she invokes the dark, primal, savage instincts that lies in the heart of men(And women) while at the same time taking away the power of significance from others to point of nonexistence. She is a primal evil because she amplify what is at the core of our very being, the need to procreate, and perverts it her own enjoyment, waving around her deprivation of attention of those whom aren't taken in by her wiles like a bludgeon to further her malicious intent to divide humanity in half.
The scariest part of it all?
You swore you saw Tomie on your way back from the forest, walking pass you by the street just ever so briefly before disappearing into a crowd.
But when you get back home, the still bleeding head is still in your backpack.
It was just your eyes deceiving on you, I mean you did just suffer through a rather traumatic event.
You're pretty sure it was just a trick of the mind, right?
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