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This makes me a little happier....
The breeder I talked to, said that He'd love to talk to me more about making an eventual wild/exotic animal rehabilitation center. That there should be one in Texas.
I was pissed off at that point and said how I hated Texas entirely, now. He just said that making a good, working rehab in a place that doesn't care, could save more animals. He must be one hell of a dreamer too, because, he actually thinks that if I make a good enough rehab, maybe Texas would notice and send the unwanted, or seized animals to me.
It's complete bull, though. Texas probably in all reality hates me. And I don't think they'd care at all...
But, One of my fennec sites DID say how to go about keeping an ILLEGAL animal if your state's just a douche.
If Animal Control was called, you DO have Legal Rights as a pet owner.
No one wants to have Animal Control come knocking on the door... but if they do, it will help if you know what your options are.
Remember, Animal Control is law enforcement. They are bound by the same Constitution as any other government agency. To protect yourself, you need to know your rights. These vary slightly one jurisdiction to another, but some general principals apply. One rule applies everywhere: never physically resist an officer.
When Animal Control is At Your Door:
1. Do not let them in, no matter how much they ask. Animal Control generally cannot enter your home without a warrant, or your permission. While regular police can enter in emergency situations when human life is at risk (i.e. they hear gunshots and a scream inside), there are few, if any, situations in which Animal Control can enter your home without a warrant. Simply tell them they may not come in.
2. If you let them in, anything they find in "plain sight" can be used against you. In some circumstances Animal Control officers, unable to find a legitimate reason to make an arrest, have reported building or zoning violations. This may include caging you attached to a wall without a building permit, that extra outlet in the kitten room, having more pets than allowed by zoning, even extension cords in violation of fire codes! No matter how clean your animals, if they want to find a violation, they will.
3. Do not talk to them from an open doorway. Step outside and close (and lock if possible) the door behind you. This is necessary because:
A) Anything they see through the open door is "plain sight" and may be the basis for an
arrest, or probable cause for a search warrant.
B) If they make an arrest or even feel threatened they are usually permitted to search for weapons in your immediate area. Do you keep a baseball bat inside the door for protection? Even if you don't, once they step inside to look, they are in your home and may continue to search.
C) It is hard not to be intimidated by someone in authority. Some animal control is even done by local police, who carry guns. It is easy for them to get "in your face," causing you to back up into the home. Once you go in, it will be interpreted as an invitation to follow.
4. If they claim to have a warrant, demand to see it. In general, a search warrant must be signed by a judge. A warrant to search your home for animals does not include an inventory of your jewelry box. A warrant to search your animals in the garage or in the barn does not include a search of your home.
5. In some locations some animal owners may have obtained special "breeder permits" that stipulate that Animal Control has your permission to enter at any time. If you have signed such a permit they still cannot enter against your wishes, since you can revoke the permission at any time. However, if you refuse permission it may allow them to cancel your breeder permit, so you have to weigh the consequences.
6. Warning, anyone in lawful possession of the premises may be able to give permission for a search. Make sure your roommate, baby-sitter, cat sitter, housekeeper and others know that they should not let animal control into your home.
How to Handle Questions:
1. Don't answer any questions beyond identifying yourself for the officer. Anything you say to the officer in your defense can not be used in court (hearsay). Anything you say that is harmful to you will be used in court (confessions are not considered hearsay.) You cannot win, except by remaining silent.
2. Be polite but firm. Do not argue, bad mouth, curse, threaten or try to intimidate the officer.
3. Do not lie to an officer, ever. However, it is NOT a lie to exercise your right to remain silent.
4. Keep your hands in plain sight. People have been shot by police when common objects,
such as a wallet, were mistaken for a gun.
5. Do not touch the officer in any way. Do not physically resist an officer, no matter how unlawful his or her actions.
6. Don't try to tell your side of the story, it cannot help.
7. Do not threaten the officer that you plan to file a complaint for their actions.
8. If the questioning persists, demand to speak to a lawyer first. Repeat as necessary.
Gathering the Facts:
1. Get the name and badge number of each officer involved. If she/he does not volunteer this information, ask.
2. Ask the name of the agency they represent. Different agencies have different enforcement responsibilities.
3. Ask why they are there. Request the factual basis of the complaint, and the identity of the complainant.
4. If they have other people with them (Humane Society, press, etc.) get the names and organizations for all present.
5. Note the names (and addresses) of any witnesses to the encounter.
6. If you are physically injured by the officer, you should take photographs of the injuries immediately, but do not forgo proper medical treatment first.
7. Write down all of the information, as well as the date and time of the incident immediately, while details are fresh in your mind.
8. If your rights are violated, file a complaint with the appropriate body.
If You Are Arrested:
1. Remain silent. Answer no questions until you have consulted with a lawyer.
2. Don't "explain" anything. You will have time for explanations after you have talked to your lawyer.
3. Within a reasonable time they must allow you to make a phone call to get a lawyer or arrange bail. They are not allowed to listen to your call to your attorney, but they may "monitor" the rooms for "your protection." Do not say anything you do not want them to overhear; save that until after you are out on bail.
Preventative Measures:
1. Always keep your residence clean and take good care of your animals.
2. Consider a P.O. Box or other address for business cards and advertisements. Keep descriptions of your location general (i.e. Southern California, rather than the name of the City where you live). The Internet can provide anonymity for initial contacts. You can even buy a "remote prefix" to get a phone number from a nearby community forwarded to your phone or to a voice mail. Avoid local newspaper classifieds, they are often monitored.
3. Screen any potential animal buyers carefully. Always be alert that they may be Animal Control or even Animal Rights working under cover.
4. Don't allow strangers into your home until you have screened them.
5. Be fair and honest in all of your dealings, and be on good terms with your neighbors. Most animal control contacts are complaint-driven. Some complaints may arise as harassment by people with unrelated grievances against you. It may be a disgruntled animal buyer, or a cranky neighbor who doesn't like you parking in front of his house.
6. Anything about you that can be observed in "plain sight" from the street or sidewalk can become probable cause for a warrant. Even areas on your property open to visitors can be dangerous. Be aware of which areas of you home are visible from the outside, and plan accordingly.
7. If you are confronted by Animal Control, and turn them away, assume they will be back. Use the time available to make sure everything is clean and presentable. If you are over limit on the number of pets, find friends who can provide temporary shelter for your animals.
*Whatever you do, stay calm and keep your wits about you.
Just say "no," no matter what threats or promises of leniency they make.
When in doubt, say nothing and speak to a lawyer after-wards.
The breeder I talked to, said that He'd love to talk to me more about making an eventual wild/exotic animal rehabilitation center. That there should be one in Texas.
I was pissed off at that point and said how I hated Texas entirely, now. He just said that making a good, working rehab in a place that doesn't care, could save more animals. He must be one hell of a dreamer too, because, he actually thinks that if I make a good enough rehab, maybe Texas would notice and send the unwanted, or seized animals to me.
It's complete bull, though. Texas probably in all reality hates me. And I don't think they'd care at all...
But, One of my fennec sites DID say how to go about keeping an ILLEGAL animal if your state's just a douche.
If Animal Control was called, you DO have Legal Rights as a pet owner.
No one wants to have Animal Control come knocking on the door... but if they do, it will help if you know what your options are.
Remember, Animal Control is law enforcement. They are bound by the same Constitution as any other government agency. To protect yourself, you need to know your rights. These vary slightly one jurisdiction to another, but some general principals apply. One rule applies everywhere: never physically resist an officer.
When Animal Control is At Your Door:
1. Do not let them in, no matter how much they ask. Animal Control generally cannot enter your home without a warrant, or your permission. While regular police can enter in emergency situations when human life is at risk (i.e. they hear gunshots and a scream inside), there are few, if any, situations in which Animal Control can enter your home without a warrant. Simply tell them they may not come in.
2. If you let them in, anything they find in "plain sight" can be used against you. In some circumstances Animal Control officers, unable to find a legitimate reason to make an arrest, have reported building or zoning violations. This may include caging you attached to a wall without a building permit, that extra outlet in the kitten room, having more pets than allowed by zoning, even extension cords in violation of fire codes! No matter how clean your animals, if they want to find a violation, they will.
3. Do not talk to them from an open doorway. Step outside and close (and lock if possible) the door behind you. This is necessary because:
A) Anything they see through the open door is "plain sight" and may be the basis for an
arrest, or probable cause for a search warrant.
B) If they make an arrest or even feel threatened they are usually permitted to search for weapons in your immediate area. Do you keep a baseball bat inside the door for protection? Even if you don't, once they step inside to look, they are in your home and may continue to search.
C) It is hard not to be intimidated by someone in authority. Some animal control is even done by local police, who carry guns. It is easy for them to get "in your face," causing you to back up into the home. Once you go in, it will be interpreted as an invitation to follow.
4. If they claim to have a warrant, demand to see it. In general, a search warrant must be signed by a judge. A warrant to search your home for animals does not include an inventory of your jewelry box. A warrant to search your animals in the garage or in the barn does not include a search of your home.
5. In some locations some animal owners may have obtained special "breeder permits" that stipulate that Animal Control has your permission to enter at any time. If you have signed such a permit they still cannot enter against your wishes, since you can revoke the permission at any time. However, if you refuse permission it may allow them to cancel your breeder permit, so you have to weigh the consequences.
6. Warning, anyone in lawful possession of the premises may be able to give permission for a search. Make sure your roommate, baby-sitter, cat sitter, housekeeper and others know that they should not let animal control into your home.
How to Handle Questions:
1. Don't answer any questions beyond identifying yourself for the officer. Anything you say to the officer in your defense can not be used in court (hearsay). Anything you say that is harmful to you will be used in court (confessions are not considered hearsay.) You cannot win, except by remaining silent.
2. Be polite but firm. Do not argue, bad mouth, curse, threaten or try to intimidate the officer.
3. Do not lie to an officer, ever. However, it is NOT a lie to exercise your right to remain silent.
4. Keep your hands in plain sight. People have been shot by police when common objects,
such as a wallet, were mistaken for a gun.
5. Do not touch the officer in any way. Do not physically resist an officer, no matter how unlawful his or her actions.
6. Don't try to tell your side of the story, it cannot help.
7. Do not threaten the officer that you plan to file a complaint for their actions.
8. If the questioning persists, demand to speak to a lawyer first. Repeat as necessary.
Gathering the Facts:
1. Get the name and badge number of each officer involved. If she/he does not volunteer this information, ask.
2. Ask the name of the agency they represent. Different agencies have different enforcement responsibilities.
3. Ask why they are there. Request the factual basis of the complaint, and the identity of the complainant.
4. If they have other people with them (Humane Society, press, etc.) get the names and organizations for all present.
5. Note the names (and addresses) of any witnesses to the encounter.
6. If you are physically injured by the officer, you should take photographs of the injuries immediately, but do not forgo proper medical treatment first.
7. Write down all of the information, as well as the date and time of the incident immediately, while details are fresh in your mind.
8. If your rights are violated, file a complaint with the appropriate body.
If You Are Arrested:
1. Remain silent. Answer no questions until you have consulted with a lawyer.
2. Don't "explain" anything. You will have time for explanations after you have talked to your lawyer.
3. Within a reasonable time they must allow you to make a phone call to get a lawyer or arrange bail. They are not allowed to listen to your call to your attorney, but they may "monitor" the rooms for "your protection." Do not say anything you do not want them to overhear; save that until after you are out on bail.
Preventative Measures:
1. Always keep your residence clean and take good care of your animals.
2. Consider a P.O. Box or other address for business cards and advertisements. Keep descriptions of your location general (i.e. Southern California, rather than the name of the City where you live). The Internet can provide anonymity for initial contacts. You can even buy a "remote prefix" to get a phone number from a nearby community forwarded to your phone or to a voice mail. Avoid local newspaper classifieds, they are often monitored.
3. Screen any potential animal buyers carefully. Always be alert that they may be Animal Control or even Animal Rights working under cover.
4. Don't allow strangers into your home until you have screened them.
5. Be fair and honest in all of your dealings, and be on good terms with your neighbors. Most animal control contacts are complaint-driven. Some complaints may arise as harassment by people with unrelated grievances against you. It may be a disgruntled animal buyer, or a cranky neighbor who doesn't like you parking in front of his house.
6. Anything about you that can be observed in "plain sight" from the street or sidewalk can become probable cause for a warrant. Even areas on your property open to visitors can be dangerous. Be aware of which areas of you home are visible from the outside, and plan accordingly.
7. If you are confronted by Animal Control, and turn them away, assume they will be back. Use the time available to make sure everything is clean and presentable. If you are over limit on the number of pets, find friends who can provide temporary shelter for your animals.
*Whatever you do, stay calm and keep your wits about you.
Just say "no," no matter what threats or promises of leniency they make.
When in doubt, say nothing and speak to a lawyer after-wards.
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Bullshit. There are such things as bad animals, just like there are bad people. It doesn't ALL depend on their "upbringing" and environment. Some animals are just plain old douchebags, just how some people just end up being killers.
People like to cry about horses being sent to mills and butchers, that all the pretty ponies should be saved. What they don't realize is that most of them are horses that will fucking stomp your kids to death and rip your face off their teeth just because they goddamn feel like it. Those animals don't give a shit that you've fed them every damn day and made sure they had a pristine bucket of water to drink out of. You can try to work with them all you want to "rehabilitate" them, but there's nothing to rehabilitate if that's just HOW THEY ARE.
Same goes for dogs and cats and goldfish and every other breathing, feeling thing. We've had animals around the house who, despite being treated kindly and having never been mistreated, have to be destroyed because they were just too dangerous to have around. One dog was even "saved" by someone else who thought they could do something better only to end up destroying it anyway because she kept eating her puppies and tried to eat one of their children.
I don't think "luck" had anything to do with that at all.
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That you should invest in house training Chaos before you buy a small doggish animal.
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Amp, a wee something I learned while working Security at Lone Star Park in Grand Prairie, the grey ones are the really mean ones. When you try to reach out and pet them and you see their ears lay flat against their head it means they're going to reach out and bite the shit out of you.
Nine times out of ten those are the ones you want to bet on too. Don't quote me on that though.
Nine times out of ten those are the ones you want to bet on too. Don't quote me on that though.
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It's a matter of your perception for each person. For me it's Luck. Plain, and simple so pardon me if I accidentally voiced my opinion. I respect your view point though.
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._. Do the Fennecs make that loud screeching howl, like how other species of Fox do? That would get old real damn quick.
Edit: YES, YES THEY DO. OGOD MY EARS.
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Edit: YES, YES THEY DO. OGOD MY EARS.
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