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Dioxyne
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I have things I want to say about the argument concerning the Libertine section, but I'm going to stop myself and ask everyone else to do the same. It was off-topic when it was brought up, and the only reason the original comments were addressed by an Administrator was because they were inflammatory toward our member base. This thread is not about the Libertine section.
There are scammers, con artists, and creeps in real life as well and always have been. I would not say without statistics to back it up that there are more on the internet. The difference with scammers and creeps on the internet is that they get away with some things that they would have more difficulty doing offline. Is this a problem online? Absolutely. Is it inextricably linked to gender? No. Would it happen even if everyone kept their gender to themselves? Yes. Would it happen offline regardless? Yes. I can't even tell you how many times I've had someone try to phone scam me or get me to give them money in person on false pretenses. That's not even counting the creeps and assholes I've run into, irrelevant to my gender. The way to address this online- as offline- is to be SMART and learn to identify these kinds of scams and pitfalls. One way is to hide your gender and personal information, yes, but those steps may not be necessary and it is a personal choice.
And that's what is getting me here about your argument. You seem to be advocating that everyone choose to do the same thing you do, with no regard for their personal feelings and beliefs. You are saying that eliminating gender online will keep people from being judgmental... while making sweeping generalizations yourself about people who do. You are saying that gender shouldn't be important, while simultaneously arguing that it IS important, and then telling everyone who finds it important that they can't talk about it or that their motives are purely sexual/greedy.
I openly admit to being a guy on Iwaku. I also openly share other personal info here. I don't do this because it gets me special treatment or as a lie to keep myself from being harassed. I definitely don't do it because I'm looking for booty. I do it because I'm comfortable here. I know from firsthand experience on Staff and as a member that we take care of people here. Anyone doing any of the things you've mentioned- scamming, harassing girls, being sexually inappropriate and creepy- gets banned. Usually quite promptly. I like it here, and I feel secure being myself rather than a persona. I know many other people feel the same way. We've had trans members- to whom gender and social perception thereof is an INCREDIBLY important part of their lives- come out to the community here before coming out to their family. And that's awesome.
It's also true that sexuality and sex is important to some people. And what exactly is wrong with that? No, it's not important to everyone, but this is why honest discourse of "I would like to talk about sex and sexuality" or "I don't want to talk about sex or sexuality" is a good thing. This is why having areas where that content is allowed is a good thing, because it gives clear lines for people to follow about what is and isn't appropriate elsewhere. You can always, always ask someone not to bring up a certain subject to you- and if they harass you about it, they're in the wrong. But you can't seek out and discuss it with them and then blame them for the subject without being in the wrong too.
You are misunderstanding.I don't think anyone here will disagree that if someone stops talking to you on account of refusing to disclose your gender, they're being an asshole. Although to be fair, I know some people are worried that it means you have something to hide. Generally though, that's not cool and is absolutely shady behavior.
Yes, there are generalizations, but they're extremely blanketed. If you have any doubt whatsoever, you should always default to keeping your information to yourself. This is what the original poster was struggling with; whether to, or to not, share this kind of information. That was my advice to them. If you can't decide, the answer is always no; I elaborated on why.
While it's a good thing to be yourself and share yourself with others you should do it without fear of consequence and one of the most water-tight ways to do this is keep a solid divide between internet life, and work/family. You don't need people to know your life story. Your identity isn't relevent to most people, it's just another name.
You have nothing to gain by sharing personal information on the internet with strangers, and of course, it is different with people you personally trust and have interactions with; If you feel comfortable in a community or with a specific person, that's great, but you still don't know who you're talking to, or if someone will come along and use that information you left laying around.
I never once implied for sex or discussion of it to be a bad thing. After all, it's how we're all here, having this discussion. Why would I demonize what is arguably the most human part of being human? I only said that I hate it when people co-opt conversations to make everything regard sex, or garner attention for themselves.