Mafia 2.0: Day Thread Game #7

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RULES & ROLES

Overall Policies

Do not discuss the game with other players outside of the in-game PMs and day phase thread, at all. You are free to discuss it with people who are not playing.
Do not edit or delete posts. No, not even to correct typos or to remove double posts. While I know that this is frustrating, it is too easy to cheat otherwise. If the current "hall monitor" (@Shizuochan) or I catch you editing or deleting posts, we will revert your edit or undelete your post.
Do not talk in night chats during the day phase, and vice versa. This should be fairly self-explanatory.

Inactivity

Inactive means no activity in the day thread or responding to night action reminders.
If you are inactive for 1 full cycle, you will receive a warning.
If you are inactive for 2 full cycles, you will be roleblocked.
If you are inactive for 3 full cycles, you will be killed. I will state at the beginning of the discussion phase that you were removed for inactivity. If you have a power role and there are any vanilla team members alive and active, one of them will randomly receive your role.

The game will start with me using a RNG to assign roles to players. I will then PM each player to let them know what their role is and ask them for their first night action if they have one. Once you receive this PM, the game has officially begun.

The game consists of three phases: the night phase, the discussion phase, and the voting phase. The discussion and voting phase are referred to collectively as the day phase. The night phase will take place solely in PMs, while the discussion and voting phases will take place on a public thread. Each phase will be 72 hours long, starting and ending at 5:00 PM MDT. A maximum of two single-day extensions each may be requested for the discussion and voting phases. The discussion phase will also end early if requested. I may also extend or end the day phase if I believe discussion is still active or has ended, respectively. You are still allowed to discuss during the voting phase.

At the start of the night phase, I will PM each person with a night role asking how/if they would like to use their night action. Once the night phase ends, the night actions will resolve and I'll enact any results. For example if person X is killed, then at the end of the night I will inform X that they have been killed, and add/remove them from any PM chats as necessary. Most PMs are between the player and myself only, however some players have the ability to communicate with others at night: if this is the case, it will be stated in their role description.

Next comes the discussion phase. Every discussion phase will begin with me announcing who (if anyone) died the previous night, that it is now the discussion phase, and when the discussion phase will end. In the discussion phase everyone is able to talk about who they think is what role, who they want to lynch, and whatever else may be relevant to the game. I may jump in with rule clarifications if I believe someone is confused about the rules. At the end of the discussion phase, I will announce that the discussion phase is over and that it is now the voting phase, along with when the voting phase will end.

In the voting phase everyone may vote on who they want to lynch. In order to vote you must publicly announce in the day phase thread that you are voting to lynch X player. People are allowed to cancel or change their vote, but keep in mind that you are not allowed to edit or delete posts. If someone is voted on by the majority of players (majority = (Total Living Players/2)+1, rounded down when total players is odd) before the end of the voting phase, then that player will be lynched. I will post announcing that X player has been lynched, state their faction (town, mafia, or neutral), and add or remove people from PMs as necessary. If nobody receives a majority of the vote before the end of the voting phase, I will announce that nobody has been lynched. When either somebody has been lynched or the voting phase ends, I will announce that the voting phase has ended and the night phase has begun. I will also state when the night phase will end.

Any questions people have during the game can be asked in this thread, in the day phase thread if it is currently the day phase, or via PM. I would prefer that you ask any role-related questions via PM to prevent cheating, though this is not strictly necessary.

The game ends once either all the town or all the mafia are dead. Once this happens, the game will end and I will announce the results in the discussion and voting phase thread. The results consist of who won and a complete role list. After the game is over, the discussion and voting phase thread will be archived, and players may discuss their thoughts on the game in this main thread. We will generally start planning the next game and pick the next GM and "hall monitor" at this time.

Mayor: The mayor may reveal themselves anytime during the day phase. After they are revealed, their vote counts as 3 votes.
Detective: The detective may visit one person every night. They learn the faction--town, mafia, or neutral--of the person they visit.
Doctor: The doctor may protect one person from being killed every night. They have two self-heals.
Medium: The medium can communicate with the dead. They will be part of the dead chat. While they can always see the dead chat, they are only allowed to talk to the dead at night. After they die, they will be able to send one message. They may choose who to send this message to at any time. The message will be sent at night.
Lookout: The lookout may visit one person each night. They will see who visits that person. The Lookout has a night chat with the Tracker.
Tracker: The tracker may visit one person each night and see who that person visits. The Tracker has a night chat with the Lookout.
3 normal townies

Mafia and Neutral
2 Mafiosos: The mafia vote on who to kill each night. They may decide who visits the target. If they do not choose, one of them will be randomly picked.
Consort: Mafia-aligned. The consort may visit one person each night. The person they visit can not use their night ability and will be told that they were blocked. If there are no other mafia alive, the Consort becomes a Mafioso.
Executioner: Neutral. The executioner gets a randomized town-aligned target at the beginning of the game. Their goal is to make sure that person is lynched. If their target dies at night, they become a Jester. The Jester's goal is to be lynched. Both the Jester and the Executioner are immune to night kills.
Survivor: Neutral. The survivor's goal is to survive throughout the game. They get three self-heals that they can use at night.
 
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Also, @Lusterine what did the medium senance you? There might be a ton of important information in it. Particularly Kim's and RDJ's claimed role, it will help us figure out who we can trust. I might switch my vote if more come for 7.39, but even if I switch, we will be one vote short as I imagine we are short. Also @IntrusivePenDesperateSword... who is your vote?
 
Darn alerts missing me again...

Honestly, Joan brings up some great points. I'm not entirely sure what they meant by us having another chance tonight if we lynch The_J, as opposed to lynching a townie, so if Joan's explain that I'd be happy.

As of that, I'm inclined to join Joan in voting The_J. If we can get it confirmed from Star J doesn't have to kill.
 
Darn alerts missing me again...

Honestly, Joan brings up some great points. I'm not entirely sure what they meant by us having another chance tonight if we lynch The_J, as opposed to lynching a townie, so if Joan's explain that I'd be happy.

As of that, I'm inclined to join Joan in voting The_J. If we can get it confirmed from Star J doesn't have to kill.
I covered this fairly extensively in my other posts, but the gist of it is this: We have seven people now. One is mafia, two are neutral, four are town. We lynch J, removing a neutral. Mafia kills tonight. We're at five people (three votes required), with one being mafia, one being neutral, and three being town. You and I have a chance to watch people during the night, giving us a chance to gather more information, and we'll have majority still. It gives us another chance to narrow down who the mafia is, essentially, and lowers the risk of us losing it all if we guess wrong.

Tagging @Starlighter to confirm @The_J does not have to kill.
 
I covered this fairly extensively in my other posts, but the gist of it is this: We have seven people now. One is mafia, two are neutral, four are town. We lynch J, removing a neutral. Mafia kills tonight. We're at five people (three votes required), with one being mafia, one being neutral, and three being town. You and I have a chance to watch people during the night, giving us a chance to gather more information, and we'll have majority still. It gives us another chance to narrow down who the mafia is, essentially, and lowers the risk of us losing it all if we guess wrong.
I mean, sure, but how would the scenario be different if we were to lynch 7.39, as people suggest? They might be maf, they might be town, but The_J we know isn't maf. If they are town, we're still down to the same numbers as mentioned.
 
I mean, sure, but how would the scenario be different if we were to lynch 7.39, as people suggest? They might be maf, they might be town, but The_J we know isn't maf. If they are town, we're still down to the same numbers as mentioned.
The difference is the ratios. If we lynch a town member, we will be down to a mafia, two neutral, and two town. Town will not have majority tomorrow in that scenario.
 
Now that I think about it more and more, why would a mafia lynch both of their members? It wouldn't make sense and the fact 7.39 is quiet. Switching my vote back to @7.39. @Starlighter My gut is telling me it is time to end this. No more games of chance, no more nothing. I hope I'm right.
 
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The difference is the ratios. If we lynch a town member, we will be down to a mafia, two neutral, and two town. Town will not have majority tomorrow in that scenario.
The neutrals are, in a sense, on our side, no? I can't imagine either Luster or The_J actively opposing us at this point.
 
Now that I think about it more and more, why would a mafia lynch both of their members? It wouldn't make sense and the fact 7.39 is quiet. Switching my vote back to @7.39. @Starlighter My gut is telling me it is time to end this. No more games of chance, no more nothing. I hope I'm right.
What if you're wrong, though? If I'm voted up, you guys get one more day to look at evidence from Joan and Pen's roles, and one more day to discuss everything, not to mention giving 7.39 a chance to speak up (I reckon they're just AWOL at the moment).

On that note, are we able to extend today? It might be prudent to let 7.39 have more of a chance to speak up, especially if the more hasty among us are going to try to lynch them right now.
 
It's fairly clear that 7.39 is not going to speak at this point. You are stalling for your own win, and frankly, it's only actually worth it to you. the evidence is clear in my votes, and your merit does not mean that you'll create a win for the town. A jester only wants a win for himself.

What if you're wrong, though? If I'm voted up, you guys get one more day to look at evidence from Joan and Pen's roles, and one more day to discuss everything, not to mention giving 7.39 a chance to speak up (I reckon they're just AWOL at the moment).

On that note, are we able to extend today? It might be prudent to let 7.39 have more of a chance to speak up, especially if the more hasty among us are going to try to lynch them right now.
 
Now that I think about it more and more, why would a mafia lynch both of their members? It wouldn't make sense and the fact 7.39 is quiet. Switching my vote back to @7.39. @Starlighter My gut is telling me it is time to end this. No more games of chance, no more nothing. I hope I'm right.
What if you're wrong? I'm sorry, but I'm not willing to take that risk anymore, not when I think there's another way. Maybe you are, but I'm not. Pen and I can confirm if you're right or not, but we need you to give us that chance.
As for Cloudy--I have seen strategies before where mafia lynched their members to gain trust. Maybe I'm bringing too much of my vampire mindset from the Halloween game and my godfather mindset from Town of Salem here, but...while I don't consider it likely, I consider it enough of a possibility to be concerned.

The neutrals are, in a sense, on our side, no? I can't imagine either Luster or The_J actively opposing us at this point.
No, they are not. Lusterine is the survivor. They do not have to side with town to win, and they have stated they might well side with mafia. As for The_J, while I trust him to not kill anybody if we lynch him tonight, I also do not entirely know what to expect in that scenario.
That said, they don't have to actively oppose us for the mafia to win if we lynch wrong, because town will not have majority, and unless one of the neutrals decides for some reason to vote with town, all the mafia has to do is wait.

On that note, are we able to extend today? It might be prudent to let 7.39 have more of a chance to speak up, especially if the more hasty among us are going to try to lynch them right now.
@Starlighter
Though I will [email protected] has had several days to defend themselves, and they have not.

It's fairly clear that 7.39 is not going to speak at this point. You are stalling for your own win, and frankly, it's only actually worth it to you. the evidence is clear in my votes, and your merit does not mean that you'll create a win for the town. A jester only wants a win for himself.
My entire point has been that we gain from lynching J because it gives Pen and I another chance to narrow down who the mafia is or isn't. Jester may only want the win for themselves, but so does everybody. I have met jesters who were willing to help the town several times, and I have also met jesters who wanted nothing more than to screw the town over, even though it is not necessary for their win. I consider ourselves lucky that our jester is somebody I trust to keep his word. If it was somebody else, I would probably be voting for 7.39 myself.
 
I agree with @CloudyBlueDay. We shouldn't be stalling. If we are wrong, it is a great boon to town, but if we let the untrustworthy jester get his win, we might lose. He tried to kill @Joan yesterday and hasn't been town friendly all game. He is been trying to hang @IntrusivePenDesperateSword too just to win. It doesn't matter who wins to him. So please,@Joan and @IntrusivePenDesperateSword please vote so we can hopefully win. The greatest risk also reap the greatest rewards.
 
I'm just saying it now, I don't think anyone is changing their votes. The number isn't going to vhange unless 7.39 votes and they haven't voted all game and if they are mafia, they are not going to vote. I don't trust The_J to not murder me if I switch back. They have wanted to murder everything who has voted for them. I would like to point something out also that you haven't considered @Joan. Mafia can't take both of you down, but jester can. What if the mafia killed one of you and the jester who you hung killed the other. Then we would never get confirmation since Luster was senanced. Also, @Lusterine I ask again, what did Elle tell you? What good is information that is gone?
 
Blegh, change.
 
Wow. Ignore the poor English.
 
@Lusterine What are the roles of the deceased? It might be more cruical than you think.
 
I'm just saying it now, I don't think anyone is changing their votes. The number isn't going to vhange unless 7.39 votes and they haven't voted all game and if they are mafia, they are not going to vote. I don't trust The_J to not murder me if I switch back. They have wanted to murder everything who has voted for them. I would like to point something out also that you haven't considered @Joan. Mafia can't take both of you down, but jester can. What if the mafia killed one of you and the jester who you hung killed the other. Then we would never get confirmation since Luster was senanced. Also, @Lusterine I ask again, what did Elle tell you? What good is information that is gone?
I understand that you do not trust J and think that he will screw the town over. I want you to understand that, as the main person who J was pushing to lynch the previous day, I do not believe he will screw the town over. That being said...with Luster's promise not to vote tomorrow if we don't lynch today, assuming that they keep their word (because I trust them less than I do J)...I will switch my vote to 7.39 if I believe there is no way J is going to be voted up, because we will not be able to get majority if we do not lynch today, and we will therefore be dead. :/

Just the roles of the deceased. I was hoping that we'd get some claims for our quieter membera.
Are you planning to tell us those roles?
 
Also @Starlighter we can get a day extension for voting.
 
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