Furthermore, the law and courts usually work irrespective of what you think. Most judgement seems to favour women.
I guess we should sit at the back of the bus then. Questioning or fighting the status quo for the sake of an ideal is futile, right?
As for "what if she has a mental disorder?" The response to that is "stop obfuscating." We're not talking about mental disorders. If you want to have that debate, feel free to make another thread for it and I'll be happy to contribute. Because if a woman has a mental disorder and attacks me, that's not "a woman with a mental disorder" case, that's a
person with a mental disorder case.
Just as in the insect and other animal kingdom where females are genetically anatomically superior to males, so it is the opposite in others. That difference must be kept in mind whenever anyone thinks of striking back against a woman.
Also, anecdotes are icky. Statistics please.
#1: Did you just imply women are genetically inferior to men?... Are... What? Dude? No.
I'm one of the first people who would argue that
men and women are biologically different, which causes them to have different desires and which makes them predisposed towards different tasks. At no point would I
ever argue that a woman is inferior or incapable to a man in any respect within the context of a modern society. Any woman can...
- Beat a man to within an inch of his life.
- Failing the above (due to nature's intentions), wield a taser, pepper spray, knife, blunt object, et cetera.
- Assault a man who won't fight back.
If you sincerely believe, in a modern society, that women are so genetically inferior to men that we should treat them as lesser in the face of the law, or in the face of equitable response to crimes delivered (as assault
is a crime)... I don't even know what to say to you at that point. So I can only assume you meant something else. There are so many ways in which a woman can reduce or eliminate the physical penalty as to render this argument insane, and most men aren't as physically fit as they were back in the medieval age due to more sedimentary lifestyles which means that the biological advantage men have is
largely wasted in modern society.
#2: If you don't want anecdotes used, don't use them yourself. (ala: "What if the woman has a mental disorder?) Your double standards are showing...
Why are you all trying to create equality where there isn't?
Because that's the ideal society in which most people in the first world which to live? That, regardless of your circumstances of your birth, you are free to attempt any lifestyle or profession in which you can make yourself capable, regardless of what nature or "God" intended?
The average male is
much stronger than the average female.
I don't feel the need to repeat myself, so read above.
A cursory glance at history will tell you that males are responsible for pretty much all war, violence, and atrocities through some combination of genetics, culture and society. Therefore, if you are faced with a situation where a women slaps you or punches you, just make a good faith effort to walk out the door before succumbing to your id and clocking her, yeah?
Or, and this is just a thought, a crazy, wild, really truly
crazy thought...
If a woman is stupid enough to hit me knowing I'm bigger and stronger than she is, and won't fuck off after I've asked her to stop, then, maybe...
Just maybe... I have the
right to make her
stop through any means necessary, rather than allowing her to
bully me away from wherever it is I happen to be occupying. If a woman hits me at a party and screeches at me to leave, and everyone else around finds the behaviour immature and disgusting, maybe, just
maybe, I, as an
individual human being, have the right to make her stop should it not be her property that I am standing on.
That's just a thought. That maybe, we can consider women mentally capable of understanding the consequences of their actions, and then holding them equally accountable to them as we would men. Unless you want to start arguing that women are genetically inferior again...
Actually, my point about history perfectly stands with what you just said. Given men's exclusive history of retaliatory violence, how has that worked out? How has that worked out on average with any police confrontation?
Please stop using anecdotes of history when history is filled with a plethora of other motives for conflict, including but not limited to topics as broad as: Ideology, religion, and territorial disputes.
No shit. What are you guys in this thread going to do if slapped? Punched? An average woman cannot harm an average man. Are you going to measure your force and slap her back equally, because you're the master ninja?
I guess women can't grab lamps, and I guess they're too dumb to punch me in the balls. That damn genetic inferiority again... I guess we should put women in the kitchen where they belong, eh'? Since they can't physically defend themselves, why are we letting them out and about on their own?
They might get raped too, so we should just stick them in the kitchen for their own good.
Do you not see how obscene your argument is yet? Do you not see why others are reacting so poorly to it yet?
Stop being macho, walk out the door.
I'm not going to allow someone else, man or woman, define where it is I am allowed to be. If this bothers you, then move to a country where laws are defined by a person's gender... Like... Saudi Arabia. I heard it's really nice this time of year.
"I'm going to invent a trivial situation where the women is clearly trying to cause grevious bodily harm to me, or has already acted and incapacitated me, thus justifying my own violent response in kind. Therefore, I can make it an example of assailant vs. defender and thus completely remove gender from this discussion, instead of talking about the grey zone where it is a woman physically being aggressive to a man."
Actually, I have. Good thing I was wearing a groin cup.
Have you not stopped to consider that an equitable response to force is what a person would normally do in terms of self-defense? If a woman is playfully shoving me, no, I'm not going to slug her across the face. For obvious reason.
However, if a woman continues to physically assault my person, and does not listen when I ask her to stop, then my right to make her stop through any means necessary should be held sacrosanct. Is it in the courts? Not particularly. That's just another fight for equality that has to be had in its own time, at its own pace. Does that invalidate the thought? No. If it did, women shouldn't be voting right now.
Whether you like it or not Unanun,
women are just as mentally capable of men at understanding the connotations of a situation. Women are
just as capable as men at understanding the consequences of engaging in physical violence. They're
just as capable of interpreting whether their opponent--man or woman--is stronger than they are and thus more capable of carrying out physical tasks such as violent recourse.
If they're still stupid enough to engage in violence, they must live with the consequences of their decision. That's
basic human rights,
basic life lessons for you:
You, as a
person, will be held
accountable for your actions.
Period.
Arguing against something that simple and fundamental to western society is foolish. Please stop. You just come across as a white knight, riding in from the 1950's to defend poor, hapless women with anecdotes that you refuse to acknowledge yourself from others. It's petty.
When women in this thread are telling you that it's a reasonable response for men to react with violence should violence be wielded against them, maybe you should listen. Here, I'll help you with that task.
If you hit someone you need to accept that there might be consequences. No matter if it's a woman hitting a man, a man hitting a woman, a woman hitting a woman or a man hitting a man. If you hit someone ALWAYS be prepared that they might hit you back. Don't go bitch about that they hit you because you're that gender and they're the other, if you hit them first, they might hit you back, and it will at the very least be partly your fault because you initiated that first hit.
One thing feminists should get into their heads: if they want to be treated equal to a man, maybe they should understand how men treat each other. I'm female, but I don't like all this nonsense about 'double standard - female on male abuse'.
As a woman, I fully support guys hitting women in self-defense. Surprise, surprise, girls! Actions actually have consequences! Wow, who would have thought?
LISTEN TO THEM TELLING YOU: WOMEN CAN BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS.
