How Americans thought wealth was distributed in the nation.

People voted for Beppe Grillo as a symbolic gesture against the politicians who have been running Italy for the last decade or two. He is only the face of the Movimento Cinque Stelle....movement(lolol).

Silvio Berlusconi lost half the number of total votes he had when he won the election. Not saying he is not a factor, but considering his heavy TV presence before the election and the fact that he is a major owner in the media business...

Bersani has to create a government with one of them, unless they have already decided to have a second election.
 
Second off, You clearly haven't had to deal with public sector much. One of the downfalls of the lean towards a more socialist approach is you remove the spirit of competition from the equation in a big way. One of the biggest boons of our country is the way technology is embraced here. Competition between markets fuels a thriving economy. Due to the profit motive, companies have incentive to produce better products and services than competitors which in turn creates jobs for citizens. On top of that, as citizens we get the benefit of this in getting the opportunity to seek out reviews and find the best goods and services that are available.

Though I see your point. I also feel that if allowed to do their thing with little or no regulation big bussiness will trample over the little guy, undercut their employeess, destroy our enviroment and continue to make things unavvordable. I do not think the answer to our issue's of having 40% of the welath in 1% of the country will be solved by deregulating the owners of the big bussiness, most of which are in that one percent. Instead I think if you tell them the max salary they can make a year is X Billion then theyw ill strive to get there and stay there. Of course the GVT can then assure quality air regulation, a decent amount of support for the little man working int hat company, and hopefully help them get above that 23,750


But i need only remind you of the time big bussiness took off, and boomed in the 1900's of the need for union groups, and strikes, of the inhumane treatment of workers, working conditions, and even the predijuce towards hiring people of color, oppisite sex, or forign nationality. Big Bussiness isn't sceience the strong do not survive while the weak parrish. The strong ground pound the POSSIBLY strong crippling them refusing to give them an oppertunity to do, and then call them the weak. They make themselves feel better at night witht he concept of 'fairness' but in reality know nothing of it's bounds. They approuch the world of change with a smug look and refuse, and begause they own the wealth they can and will do that.

make no sistake, I know two things of this situation

1: I am never meant to lead anything invovling money, or goverment. I have NO IDEA what I'm doing, talking about, or even how to get it done. I am no better than our founding fathers who were mere philosophers with an IDEA on how a nation should be run. My idea, fix it somehow and my proposed idea, limit the shit out of them, cripple their liberity where it hurts since they don't want to be coperitive towards others. They were allowed that much wealth 40% no less, and onwards of 77& whenw e include the upper 20th quarile, on the concept of the GOP's 'trickle down effect" Which was their sermon in the mid to late 1900's. I notice that you all have had that work out so well why not continue to allow it? It's not like there are people that have busted hteir ass off to get a job, ben refused because they were women, black, irish, italian, catholic, or gay. it's not like Big Bussiness unregulated by the GVT in this area didn't open their arms for us, But that did happen, and they ahve shown to not beable to handle this liberity that the goverment was going to allow them to have.

2: I'm well aware tha what i speak is not just socialism, put a possible road to communism, which is a C word most are not okay with. I'ma lso aware that what I speak possibly violates the first admentment, although I digress them towards the Necesary and Proper clause of our constatution... i'm well aware that this isn't the way to slove our wealth issues. But I do not feel that that allowing big bussiness to be big bussiness will help. Now if we promoted small soul propitary companies while crippling the big bussiness I'd be happy. But ya know ain't nobady got time for that.



Anyway Like i said I ahve a very scewed view of the world that is enver meant to be considered, let alone suggested. I was more or less putting the 'what if' out there. A "What if people considered this where would it go."
type of thing. Consider it playing a part and nothing more. If there were lots of more progressive approuches in the forum I'd be sitting where you are and discussing the prolific discoveries of competition, which IS NECESARY an removing it will result int he collapse of our mediine, technology, and inovation as we know it. We would not be on a world wide web, we would all be running DOS and would neve have this talk, if Microsoft never had compeition, and if people didn't see the pROFIT in the internet. So Cosmic I agree with you. I merely disagree with the casual statment that "Competition will leave everything alive."


this was longer than I wanted... damn
 
Communism has no government. So long as there is a government/dictator/whatever, it is socialist.Every FUCKING. Time I hear 'communism' mentioned its not actually communism the person means.That said, much as I like the idea, it's an unattainable dream. A utopia of sorts, if bland and grey.
 
Communism has no government. So long as there is a government/dictator/whatever, it is socialist.Every FUCKING. Time I hear 'communism' mentioned its not actually communism the person means.That said, much as I like the idea, it's an unattainable dream. A utopia of sorts, if bland and grey.

Embrace me, fellow leftist.
 
well, I see one solution. get that top 1% to SPEND the money. it's not even the fact that CEO's on average make 360x the amount of the average worker at their company. it that they just keep stockpiling the money and not doing anything with it. seriously, why on earth do you need 4 billions dollars in the bank for your personal accounts? if your not spending it on SOMETHING it's wasted and it's value has effectively left the economy,

devaluing everything else.
it's like the top 1% took 40% of the worlds food supply and said "this is mine I'm going to store it, you cant touch it, not to feed your selves, not to reseed your fields to grow more, nothing, all mine, forever" then leaves it all to rot. essentially leaving 80% of the world starving while they laugh and the upper crust fight amongst themselves to hold another 20% of the supply.

so, while the distribution is wrong, it's not the root of the problem, the stagnation of the vast majority of the economic assets is the big issue. and I can;t even say it' sth root issue, just that it's baser than distribution. hell, distrabution would half fix itself of stagnation wasn't there.
 
Robin Hood style? Steal from the rich and give to the poor? :P Sounds like a cool plot...Modern Day, Robin Hood.

The rich give to the poor, stealing from the rich in turn is robbing yourself. Perhaps I should explain...The rich provide Jobs, security, advances in tech, medication, energy ect...If you steal from them and give it to another you're limiting the desire to advance one's station and at the same time the equilibrium effect sets in. Where in order to compensate their losses the rich will raise prices, cut jobs or limit hours and or benefits if not a combo. The notion to take from a man who has done well and give to those that have not is selfishness and in it's very essence usually birthed from envy, albeit guised as "forced charity". Yes I understand being poor stinks, but the poor in America are not truly poor compared to many other locations both in todays age and historically. If a man seeks wealth, let him earn it. If he is doomed to be poor, so be it, for not all can be rich. Hence why every nation in recorded history has social classes. To attempt to change this is to attempt to alter the human condition and our basic need to stand out amongst our fellow man. A dangerous and terrifying thought process in my opinion. Sure the rich have done wrong, they are not perfect and corruption runs deep. But the same could be said for any man despite his economic stability. To make matters worst laying heavy taxes will do little, for the rich can afford to move, whilst the poor man cannot.
 
The rich give to the poor, stealing from the rich in turn is robbing yourself. Perhaps I should explain...The rich provide Jobs, security, advances in tech, medication, energy ect...If you steal from them and give it to another you're limiting the desire to advance one's station and at the same time the equilibrium effect sets in. Where in order to compensate their losses the rich will raise prices, cut jobs or limit hours and or benefits if not a combo. The notion to take from a man who has done well and give to those that have not is selfishness and in it's very essence usually birthed from envy, albeit guised as "forced charity". Yes I understand being poor stinks, but the poor in America are not truly poor compared to many other locations both in todays age and historically. If a man seeks wealth, let him earn it. If he is doomed to be poor, so be it, for not all can be rich. Hence why every nation in recorded history has social classes. To attempt to change this is to attempt to alter the human condition and our basic need to stand out amongst our fellow man. A dangerous and terrifying thought process in my opinion. Sure the rich have done wrong, they are not perfect and corruption runs deep. But the same could be said for any man despite his economic stability. To make matters worst laying heavy taxes will do little, for the rich can afford to move, whilst the poor man cannot.


I think Austrian economists should tell us how they REALLY feel =P.

No, but out disagreement is foundational.
 
Oh I agree that we need social classes, but does their have to be such a HUGE divide? Does their have to be one percent that owns that much? Can't the wealth be more like how the video said they thought America's Economy should be like? Or how most Americans actually thought it was like? Would that work or am I wrong? Does their have to be such a few who own so much?
 


I play this song in my head as I read this thread.

I'm a poet and always show it.