Common (and incorrect) Myths

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ANCIENT AND MEDIEVAL HISTORY MYTHS HOO-YA!

Myth: Rome was pro-homo, yo.
Fact: The closest Rome got to pro-homo was a man of superior birth (Senators->Roman born in Rome->Roman citizen->Foreigner->Slave) boinking a man of inferior birth from a superior position. It was never acceptable in any other context. Even in Greece, which was more sexually liberal than Rome was, it was always a show of dominance as opposed to a loving, equal relationship.

In short, a man boinking another man was merely to show how much more value you had over the other male. Higher class Romans who played catcher instead of pitcher were generally looked upon as servile, perverted, and disturbed.

In fact, it's best just to say that ancient societies were nowhere near as wonderful as Hollywood and TV often makes them out to be.

Myth: Spears always stop horses.
Fact: Nope. Heavily armoured knights atop equally armoured horses could rip through most spear lines, which resulted in a variety of attempts to evolve new tactics to stop them. If spears alone always stopped horses, cavalry would have stopped being a useful tool--because cavalry is more expensive and more sparse than lining up a bunch of peasants with sticks. This isn't to say that spears didn't have their use and that they weren't potentially deadly--they most certainly were! However, spears alone didn't stop heavy cavalry, and most light cavalry weren't stupid enough to full-charge any forward facing group of soldiers.

The crossbow was the primary counter to the knight, and after the invention of cannons and firearms and the organization of square formations, knights soon fell to the wayside. Cavalry itself continued to be useful up until the first world war, when fully automatic machine guns were simply too much for cavalry to deal with.

Myth: Battles were climactic and epic!
Fact: Most battles went on for days, or weeks. In rare cases, even months. A "battle" was primarily two forces being led by commanding officers, who would attempt to gain the upper hand against one another via positioning. This was especially true of castles, which were normally (or at least ideally) besieged until the defenders starved to death. The times where climactic battles did occur, they were absolute clusterfucks where it was unclear which side was winning until one side was running from the other. It was, in fact, strategically foolish to throw your army into climactic battle after climactic battle, as it usually meant that the casualties you would sustain would only grant you a string of Pyrrhic victories. (One such leader learned this first hand.)

Myth: Knights were honourable!
Fact: Some were. Most weren't. Most knights were nobility that looked upon peasants as little more than tools to further their own ambitions. Knights rode in on armour because they weren't looking for a fair fight--most of the weapons peasants had couldn't even penetrate plate mail, and even more still didn't have the training to fight properly. It was basically the equivalent of letting a rabid pit bull into a cage with rabbits. This isn't even to say that they were evil--back then, the conception of an individual life holding inherent value was ridiculous. The divine right to rule determined who had value and who did not.

Myth: Samurais were honourable!
Fact: Some were. Most weren't. Most samurai were warrior nobility that fought battles in the back lines, using war bows, rather than charging onto the front line. Samurai also existed long before the modern ideas of Bushido. In fact, there was a law that allowed Samurai to cut off the heads of any members of the Ashigaru class who so much as disrespected them. Again, like with knights, this was because the Samurai were simply believed to be outright superior beings with superior value to anyone else.

Myth: The Crusades were unwarranted aggression.
Fact: At least the beginning of the Crusades weren't--it's debatable whether or not later Crusades were. The early Crusades (esp. the Reconquista) were responses to the Muslim world constantly jihading and taking over Christian states. The only reason the Crusades were even greenlit in the first place, was because of the threat of a jihad pushing into the Byzantium empire, and because most of the Iberian Peninsula had been lost to repeated jihads.

Now, this isn't to say that the Crusaders were good people. Most were bored knights or desperate fanatics looking for a way to spread themselves some Jesus, and being told "murder is okay in this instance" was embraced happily by several deranged people. That being said, historically speaking, they were perfectly justified as a response to several dozen jihads.

Oh, and don't think that Muslims were bad guys just because they were the aggressors. Just like the Crusaders, those who engaged in the Jihads were often terrible people, irrelevant of their religion.

Myth: I can dodge an arrow!
Fact: Nope. At least, not likely. Arrows travel between 225-300 feet per second on average. The average healthy male can jog at around 8.3 miles per hour and the average healthy female at 6.5 miles per hour, which translates to about 100 meters (or 328 feet) in 27-34 seconds.

In other words, arrows are several times faster than you are, on a magnitude of 20-30 times faster than you.

In terms of physics, unless you angle the shot of a bow, an arrow will generally not stay in flight for more than 4-6 seconds (because gravity exists), thus unless you are shot at from the maximum potential range of an archer, you are not dodging an arrow. If you're within 200-300 feet, you will be hit in just one second.

In terms of an angled shot, it's never just one archer. That's several archers working together to pepper a regiment of soldiers--at which point, accuracy is not generally relevant so long as you hit the right general area. In terms of one archer against one target under 150 feet? That target is dead. You will hear the bow string at the same time the arrow embeds itself in a target.

Myth: Guns are better than bows/crossbows and that's why they took over!
Fact: Not for hundreds of years. The reason guns ended up surpassing bows and crossbows after a while is twofold.
  • Because lead pellets were capable of poisoning their victims, thus resulting in more post-battle fatalities.
  • Because you could teach pretty well any peasant to use a gun.
That second point is the more important of the two. Crossbows had a higher threshhold of skill than guns did, meaning that training new regiments from scratch? It was faster with guns than with crossbows, which in turn were faster than bows.

Guns would not actually surpass crossbows and bows in terms of mechanical, objective superiority, until the revolver was invented. When you could fire more than one shot one after another rapidly, the crossbow and the bow became outdated and outmoded.

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Drinking milk/eating milk products whilst or after eating fish is not good for you, supposedly causing white patches on your skin.

That's something I heard a lot and hear a lot still, especially among Indo-Pak people. I'm pretty sure this is a myth though.
 
Drinking milk/eating milk products whilst or after eating fish is not good for you, supposedly causing white patches on your skin.

That's something I heard a lot and hear a lot still, especially among Indo-Pak people. I'm pretty sure this is a myth though.
I've never even heard this myth before, and I'm rather curious as to where it could've started from. o_o"
 
I've never even heard this myth before, and I'm rather curious as to where it could've started from. o_o"
Me too! I've been hearing it ever since I was a child, enough that I'd sneakingly drink milk after eating a tuna sammich, just so that I wouldn't get caught. ^_^''
 
I was told for a long time that Shirley Eaton from Goldfinger actually died during filming. She's uh, still alive. xD
 
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Myth: Women were never warriors.
Fact: This is a bit complex (so add about ten asterisks to this answer), but there were female warriors in ancient and medieval history. Boudica is a particularly famous example, but mercenary companies and the like did not usually discriminate in who would die for a pitiful amount of coin. There were gladiatorial fights in ancient Rome that featured "amazons" and female prisoners. When times were especially tough, there were recorded instances of women disguising themselves as men to fight and die, like Joan of Arc. It's hinted at that when the Celtic tribes were being beaten by Rome, that women took up arms to fight against Roman Legionnaires--this isn't historically verified, however, and remains the stuff of myths. Vikings in Norway and Sweden taught their women how to fight so they could protect themselves in the event their towns were attacked while the men were away.

It's ultimately more accurate to say that women were not army or front line troops. This is entirely pragmatic, for two reasons.
  1. In order to continue the species, it takes one night with a man in a tent, and nine (or more) months for a woman. Men were more disposable.
  2. Men have more body mass then women. This really, seriously counts in front line charges, where when all other measures were equal, the bigger man won every time.
Society and culture would have developed differently were these factors not the case (or, perhaps, even reversed.)

Myth: European settlers got sick when they came to North America with North American diseases.
Fact: There were no serious American diseases to transfer to European settlers. The reason Europeans got sick in high numbers was because they were on boats eating nothing but hard tack bread for three months--they were succumbing to scurvy and other easily preventable diseases. Diseases which they brought with them to America, which devastated the population that had no immunity to them.

Basically, Europeans were dirty, disgusting, warmongering savages. Savages that I'm descended from. Neat!

Myth: England conquered Scotland.
Fact: Scotland bankrupted itself and then--to massively oversimplify it--"married" England to form the kingdom of Great Britain. Sorry, there was no great war or enslavement. The Scottish nobility simply sold out their own people in exchange for security. So, you know, politics.

Myth: Swords were the de facto weapon.
Fact: Depends on era, but usually no. Ancient era weaponry was primarily spears and large bronze shields. This eventually gave way to circular wooden shields, axes, and spears. The Romans were the oddball out in having a majority of wooden tower shields and short swords known as a gladius. (They also invented javelins which, when thrown, could not be thrown back.) Heading onto the dark ages it was dominated by bows, axes, shields, and spears. Medieval era comes about and you have more bows and bigger bows, axes, and spears.

Have I mentioned spears yet?

Spears were by and far the most common and practical weapon there was. All you needed was a long wooden shaft and the head of an arrow and you were good to go.

Swords, on the other hand, were super expensive to produce. Swords could take hours to produce--there was no mass manufacturing, only individual forges.

Myth: Armies were well organized--like in Lord of the Rings.
Fact: Outside of certain oddball outliers (Sparta, Rome) most armies were not professional armies. Even throughout most of the medieval era, armies were not what you think of them. They were usually raised at the last minute by local barons and handed off to lords/generals to be used in wars. A baron who oversees a town would gather a few hundred men. If the men were lucky, the baron (or lord/general) would spend money out of the coffers to arm them. If they were unlucky, they had to arm themselves.

Basically, the coherency of an army depended entirely on the force of will of the man who commanded it, and their tactical aptitude. Because the men themselves were often highly incompetent, and poorly trained if they were trained at all.

This is one of the major reasons why Rome steamrolled most empires that got in their way. They had a coherent, well trained, disciplined army.

This is also why, during the 100 Years War, England took as much of France as they did. England had professionally trained longbowmen that absolutely ripped apart the French regiments, which, in their arrogance, they simply raised and charged over and over to their deaths.

In fact, if you want to be accurate about a medieval battle in an RP, spend 1-2 weeks having scouts run to and from the army on horseback, trying to keep a track of the enemy army. Then, when the battle commences, your front line made of peasants marches forward to simply eat arrows and keep the more valuable troops behind them alive. Most of the people around you are trembling, they barely know how to hold their weapons. Mostly cheaply made spears, a few lucky sods have some thick leathers or chainmail & helmets. When your side and the enemy's side charge, your terribly made formation falls apart completely.

If you're lucky, your cavalry will ram their flank before their cavalry rams yours.

By the time you win the battle, you'll cheer just to be alive, and not know why all your neighbours had to die.

Myth: It's all skill in a battle.
Fact: Skill is one element, certainly. However, so are the following.
  • Your armament versus your opponent's armament. The inferior fighter can win if he gets the upper hand in the match-up in terms of equipment.
  • Mass. The bigger fighter always has an advantage. It's part of the reason Vikings would strap themselves to huge shields and physically slam themselves into opponents--if you can knock someone down and swing your axe at their chest, all the skill in the world won't save them.
  • Numbers. If your professional army is too badly outnumbered, the enemy will eventually win--even if they take more casualties doing so. Which naturally means you'll die.
  • Hunger/fatigue. A skilled fighter will make more mistakes if they've been on the march for several hours, or if they've not been receiving the proper rations.
  • Age. Older fighters may fight smarter, but there's something to be said about the advantages of youth.
  • Environment. Those fighting with the high ground advantage can stop enemies. Throw a knight into a waist-deep swamp, and he's a sitting duck for an unarmoured opponent get behind them and go for weak spots in the armour.
  • The strategy of the leader. An idiot leader can lead skilled veterans into a complete and absolute suicidal slaughter against what should be an inferior force. (Like when Hannibal surrounded and slaughtered a larger Roman army.)
Basically, skill is vitally important, but other factors can tip the balance too.

Myth: People got married at the age of twelve.
Fact: In the medieval age? Most certainly not! This was a fucking bizarre, grotesque behavior indulged in by the same nobility that also thought incest was a winning long term strategy for empire building. Most twelve year old women would stay with their families until they were between the age of 15-18, where they would be wedded off to another family. Marriages younger than this did occur but they were far and away not the norm, for a couple simple reasons. Firstly, people noticed that younger women tended to die in child birth more, and nobody wants to see their loved ones die. Secondly, because daughters often helped to tend to the house or raise other, younger children. Thirdly, because it was a solid strategy fathers would employ to see if they couldn't marry their way up to wealthier families via waiting a year or two and gambling that they could find someone better for their daughters.

Oh, yeah, and no matter how romantic people feel about princesses, they didn't get to choose who to marry either normally. Political marriages, ho! (Failing that, incest. Because nothing goes wrong with incest, right?)
 
Canada never engaged in Slavery.

We did, we just stopped practicing it sooner than America did.
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Except instead of being bitten you're stabbed with Vaccines.
Mass. The bigger fighter always has an advantage. It's part of the reason Vikings would strap themselves to huge shields and physically slam themselves into opponents--if you can knock someone down and swing your axe at their chest, all the skill in the world won't save them.
You could say they got crushed under the weight of a Mountain.
 
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