Mafia 2.0: Day Thread Game #7

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RULES & ROLES

Overall Policies

Do not discuss the game with other players outside of the in-game PMs and day phase thread, at all. You are free to discuss it with people who are not playing.
Do not edit or delete posts. No, not even to correct typos or to remove double posts. While I know that this is frustrating, it is too easy to cheat otherwise. If the current "hall monitor" (@Shizuochan) or I catch you editing or deleting posts, we will revert your edit or undelete your post.
Do not talk in night chats during the day phase, and vice versa. This should be fairly self-explanatory.

Inactivity

Inactive means no activity in the day thread or responding to night action reminders.
If you are inactive for 1 full cycle, you will receive a warning.
If you are inactive for 2 full cycles, you will be roleblocked.
If you are inactive for 3 full cycles, you will be killed. I will state at the beginning of the discussion phase that you were removed for inactivity. If you have a power role and there are any vanilla team members alive and active, one of them will randomly receive your role.

The game will start with me using a RNG to assign roles to players. I will then PM each player to let them know what their role is and ask them for their first night action if they have one. Once you receive this PM, the game has officially begun.

The game consists of three phases: the night phase, the discussion phase, and the voting phase. The discussion and voting phase are referred to collectively as the day phase. The night phase will take place solely in PMs, while the discussion and voting phases will take place on a public thread. Each phase will be 72 hours long, starting and ending at 5:00 PM MDT. A maximum of two single-day extensions each may be requested for the discussion and voting phases. The discussion phase will also end early if requested. I may also extend or end the day phase if I believe discussion is still active or has ended, respectively. You are still allowed to discuss during the voting phase.

At the start of the night phase, I will PM each person with a night role asking how/if they would like to use their night action. Once the night phase ends, the night actions will resolve and I'll enact any results. For example if person X is killed, then at the end of the night I will inform X that they have been killed, and add/remove them from any PM chats as necessary. Most PMs are between the player and myself only, however some players have the ability to communicate with others at night: if this is the case, it will be stated in their role description.

Next comes the discussion phase. Every discussion phase will begin with me announcing who (if anyone) died the previous night, that it is now the discussion phase, and when the discussion phase will end. In the discussion phase everyone is able to talk about who they think is what role, who they want to lynch, and whatever else may be relevant to the game. I may jump in with rule clarifications if I believe someone is confused about the rules. At the end of the discussion phase, I will announce that the discussion phase is over and that it is now the voting phase, along with when the voting phase will end.

In the voting phase everyone may vote on who they want to lynch. In order to vote you must publicly announce in the day phase thread that you are voting to lynch X player. People are allowed to cancel or change their vote, but keep in mind that you are not allowed to edit or delete posts. If someone is voted on by the majority of players (majority = (Total Living Players/2)+1, rounded down when total players is odd) before the end of the voting phase, then that player will be lynched. I will post announcing that X player has been lynched, state their faction (town, mafia, or neutral), and add or remove people from PMs as necessary. If nobody receives a majority of the vote before the end of the voting phase, I will announce that nobody has been lynched. When either somebody has been lynched or the voting phase ends, I will announce that the voting phase has ended and the night phase has begun. I will also state when the night phase will end.

Any questions people have during the game can be asked in this thread, in the day phase thread if it is currently the day phase, or via PM. I would prefer that you ask any role-related questions via PM to prevent cheating, though this is not strictly necessary.

The game ends once either all the town or all the mafia are dead. Once this happens, the game will end and I will announce the results in the discussion and voting phase thread. The results consist of who won and a complete role list. After the game is over, the discussion and voting phase thread will be archived, and players may discuss their thoughts on the game in this main thread. We will generally start planning the next game and pick the next GM and "hall monitor" at this time.

Mayor: The mayor may reveal themselves anytime during the day phase. After they are revealed, their vote counts as 3 votes.
Detective: The detective may visit one person every night. They learn the faction--town, mafia, or neutral--of the person they visit.
Doctor: The doctor may protect one person from being killed every night. They have two self-heals.
Medium: The medium can communicate with the dead. They will be part of the dead chat. While they can always see the dead chat, they are only allowed to talk to the dead at night. After they die, they will be able to send one message. They may choose who to send this message to at any time. The message will be sent at night.
Lookout: The lookout may visit one person each night. They will see who visits that person. The Lookout has a night chat with the Tracker.
Tracker: The tracker may visit one person each night and see who that person visits. The Tracker has a night chat with the Lookout.
3 normal townies

Mafia and Neutral
2 Mafiosos: The mafia vote on who to kill each night. They may decide who visits the target. If they do not choose, one of them will be randomly picked.
Consort: Mafia-aligned. The consort may visit one person each night. The person they visit can not use their night ability and will be told that they were blocked. If there are no other mafia alive, the Consort becomes a Mafioso.
Executioner: Neutral. The executioner gets a randomized town-aligned target at the beginning of the game. Their goal is to make sure that person is lynched. If their target dies at night, they become a Jester. The Jester's goal is to be lynched. Both the Jester and the Executioner are immune to night kills.
Survivor: Neutral. The survivor's goal is to survive throughout the game. They get three self-heals that they can use at night.
 
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Sorry mate but I'm not sure what you're trying to get at here. Are you saying we should trust them until they lynch a townie? Because that's how you lose a townie. I like keeping townies like myself alive, personally, and mafs like Pen and Eru dead.

No, I'm saying we shouldn't be jumping to conclusions without solid proof.

It's if the accuser dies, it strengthens their claims. Or am I misreading what you meant?

Yes, and also makes the accused look more guilty.

Or until we get any other sort of better indication I'd think.

Yes.
 
No, I'm saying we shouldn't be jumping to conclusions without solid proof.
It's the best I reckon there is to go on right now. Lynch the heck out of them, preferably Joan first as she seems more tactical.
 
It's the best I reckon there is to go on right now. Lynch the heck out of them, preferably Joan first as she seems more tactical.

But by your logic, I shouldn't lynch because there is a possibility that they are town. Okay, this is late game to ask this, but might as well, who do you trust as of right now and who don't you trust and who are you uncertain of? ( Living only)
Trust: Myself
Uncertain: @7.39(Could be telling the truth, could be lying, unclear read), @Kiilgore( Can be town or mafia), @Lusterine(If Joan and Pen are what they claim, it makes them survivor, otherwise uncertain)
Distrust: @The_J,@Joan, @IntrusivePenDesperateSword, @Anguissette (Specfically that the four are arguing and accusing each other rather fast) @CloudyBlueDay (Total lack of contribution)
 
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@CloudyBlueDay
@Anguissette
@IntrusivePenDesperateSword
@Kiilgore
@neobendium
@LuckycoolHawk9
@The_J
@7.39
@Lusterine

You may now cast your votes! Voting will end on Thursday, April 26th, at 5:00pm MDT, or when all players have voted. Currently, 6 votes are needed for a player to be lynched.

and since Elle is the Medium, all other forms of contact outside of this thread (or Elle contacting her) would be in violation of that I think. But I guess ultimately what matters is Starligher's judgement on it in the end.)
You are correct, any such contact would be in violation of the rules.
 
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I'm abstaining for now.

Also, @Starlighter, that one-up mushroom seems to have brought Neo back from the dead.
 
It's not me who's staying in hiding, so I can't pretend to know their real motivation
I mean, you've done all this insisting you're town without mentioning your role at all, but you haven't exactly been hiding, so I suppose that's a fair enough point.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I'm with Kiilgore here. Do you have anything to contribute? Any suspicions, hunches...?

You raise a good point, however, there are two explanations for it. The first of which I have already mentioned (admittedly it wasn't clear, so I'll retread it).
1) Neo was worth more to the maf, Joan and Pen, dead than alive. His lynch was going to be inevitable, just not that night. We townies knew his true nature, and would never trust anything he said. He could be kept alive as cannon fodder to give the maf an extra "life point", but they made a value judgement and decided that they would be better off allaying suspicion by voting for them.

2) To err is to be human. They might have thought Neo was certain to die, and as such decided just to go along with it, thinking that they were sacrificing nothing and getting something out of it.

That's meant as just an explanation for my actions, rather than actual evidence to be scrutinised. I don't expect anyone else to take that as gospel, that'd be crazy.
Didn't @Kiilgore say we were in LYLO on the previous day?

I just remembered that rule about PMs. I learnt werewolf (our flavour of mafia) in a place that allowed PMs as long as the GM was present within them, so I kinda read that without thinking about it. Still, it sounds like the sort of thing you say by mistake, so perhaps @Anguissette wants to chip in?
I'd also like to hear from Angui.

Damn it Joan your avatar is basically the same as Eru's this is all your fault.
that's the point (tho it's not supposed to be confusing, lol)

It's the best I reckon there is to go on right now. Lynch the heck out of them, preferably Joan first as she seems more tactical.
I mean, I'd be all for lynch to prove innocence, but I just went and counted...assuming a worst-case scenario, tomorrow it'll be down to 7 people. 2 mafia, 2 neutral, and 3 town, with a majority of 4 required to vote (if I'm not mistaken). If the mafia get survivor on their side and exe hasn't turned, or if exe has turned and avoid getting jesterkilled, that's it for the town. Of course, it could be that mafia hit survivor, or doctor pulls off a successful heal, or jester ends up directly or indirectly helping the town, but...it's a risk. If it's a risk this town wants to take, fine.
Then again, any lynch is a risk at this point.

But by your logic, I shouldn't lynch because there is a possibility that they are town. Okay, this is late game to ask this, but might as well, who do you trust as of right now and who don't you trust and who are you uncertain of? ( Living only)
Trust: Myself
Uncertain: @7.39(Could be telling the truth, could be lying, unclear read), @Kiilgore( Can be town or mafia), @Lusterine(If Joan and Pen are what they claim, it makes them survivor, otherwise uncertain)
Distrust: @The_J,@Joan, @IntrusivePenDesperateSword, @Anguissette (Specfically that the four are arguing and accusing each other rather fast) @CloudyBlueDay (Total lack of contribution)
Trust: Myself, @IntrusivePenDesperateSword (my partner), @Kiilgore (seems to be remaining fairly impartial and just interested in gathering info), @LuckycoolHawk9 (you seem very much to be playing the same way you always do as town--suspicious of everybody and gathering info)
Uncertain: @7.39 (hasn't spoken much), @Lusterine (could flip either way as Survivor), @CloudyBlueDay (no contribution but they've been more active this game then they were when they had a power role last game)
Distrust: @The_J (counterclaimed roleblock, pushing for me and Pen to be lynched), @Anguissette (certain they're Consort)
 
I'm abstaining for now.

Also, @Starlighter, that one-up mushroom seems to have brought Neo back from the dead.
Oh no! I dun goofed, folks. Thanks for catching that, Lucky; sorry for the tag, Neo :(

Also, since my count was wrong, only 5 votes are needed for a lynch.
 
But by your logic, I shouldn't lynch because there is a possibility that they are town. Okay, this is late game to ask this, but might as well, who do you trust as of right now and who don't you trust and who are you uncertain of? (Living only)
My point was more that we shouldn't go off of just that alone. I've got enough to vote for Joan and Pen.

Trusted: pretty much anyone active that isn't listed below
Uncertain: Anguissette. I'm waiting until she can answer for herself, rather than jumping to conclusions that she was caught in a lie. Not enough to string her up for yet.
Up to no good: Joan and Pen. Need I say more?

As for anyone who's been inactive... not much I can say. Might be that the joker's among them, or the people I put as trusted. Not massively concerned about them for now, compared to Joan and Pen the mafia.
Didn't @Kiilgore say we were in LYLO on the previous day?
Personally, I'd have made the judgement differently, but that's how you judged the value of your teammate. My second hypothesis still applies anyway, not that the first is really dented by this.
I'm abstaining for now.
I implore you to vote for Joan tonight. That's who I'm going for, and we need to get some mafia killing done today, or we're likely to lose. That's one front I agree with Joan on, just I think killing Anguissette is the wrong pick (then again, who else would a maf vote for? Ang is just her easiest target).

@Starlighter I will be voting for Neo tonight. This necromancy is unnatural and should be stopped ASAP.

If you hadn't guessed, my real vote is for Joan.
 
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Scenario 1. We lynch Joan, she comes up town, and our claims are solid. However, maf can then kill me as well, to get rid of the rest of our investigative force. Not that it matters so much, since all our stuff is freely available. Points out the actual mafia, but puts us in an awkward spot with the town/maf ratio.

Scenario 2. We lynch Joan, she comes up as maf. I am either the remaining mafioso or consort, and is as such effortlessly lynched the next day. This scenario would be a win, if we are the mafia as The_J claims to be so certain of.

Either way, because our own claims are solidly grounded from my perspective, whereas theirs are the weakest thus far, my vote is for Anguisette.
 
I think killing Anguissette is the wrong pick (then again, who else would a maf vote for? Ang is just her easiest target).
You seem to forget how they couldn't possibly have worked with Elle. Messages outside the approved ones are not allowed, yet they still claim so, after her death, even. Even if you don't want to trust our lead on her as consort, she's still lying.
 
But by your logic, I shouldn't lynch because there is a possibility that they are town. Okay, this is late game to ask this, but might as well, who do you trust as of right now and who don't you trust and who are you uncertain of? ( Living only)
Reads on other people:

Town:
I feel like I can trust lch.

Uncertain:
Joan- an uncertainty due to association. Clear indication that on the same side as pen, as such........
Pen: leaning town. Would likely be (and thus put Joan there) on the town side if it wasn't for initially avoiding voting for the one outed as mafia by dead detective+medium combo. Both are on the town side of reads.
The_j: Slightly less of a town lead than Joan/Pen. Reads to me more like executioner TBH, but still potential to feel townie. Also brought down for that same reason as initial suspicions of pen. (The voting thing.)
Luster- Not enough for a read. If actually is survivor, stays here. Can vote either way and still succeed objective.

7.39, cloudyblue - the most inactive people. Not enough information. Apparently cloudyblue played with the same strat of being silent for the game.... Don't know anything about 7's playstyle for this game. What it's worth, I did see that 7 rated one of my previous posts of this day phase with useful, if that helps any of your form a judgement. (Don't know exactly which one it was.)

Angui- gaaaahhhh. Not certain. I mean... There's the supposed lookout that got her... Yet her earlier discussions she seemed townie enough that I think it warrants me waiting to vote till she has a chance to defend... (Or until shortly before the end in the phase. If she doesn't return in time.)
(This want also comes from the slight uncertainty of joan-pen alignment.)
 
Oh, those readings. I'll second Joan's readings, surprisingly. Seem reasonable from my perspective as well.
 
You seem to forget how they couldn't possibly have worked with Elle. Messages outside the approved ones are not allowed, yet they still claim so, after her death, even. Even if you don't want to trust our lead on her as consort, she's still lying.
I'm not forgetting that, in fact, that's exactly why I don't really trust her, without being certain of any eviltude. However, it's such an odd thing to say, in a game where the lack of unsanctioned convos is so evident, that I suspect it's a misunderstanding and that to leap to "she's evil" is too much.
 
I'm not forgetting that, in fact, that's exactly why I don't really trust her, without being certain of any eviltude. However, it's such an odd thing to say, in a game where the lack of unsanctioned convos is so evident, that I suspect it's a misunderstanding and that to leap to "she's evil" is too much.
I see why it could easily be a mere mistake, or some other form of comment not literally true, and yet to be explained. On the other hand, "I've been working with Elle all along" is pretty hard to misinterpret, no?

Sure, fair enough. I'll suspend my disbelief for now, and rectract my vote until they properly explain themself, or until the voting phase is close to over.
 
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Sorry guys, I'm back online.

Taking baby steps in moving in with my girlfriend - we're spending the week at her place (which is why I was moving on Sunday), and then we ended up out of town visiting my new baby niece Tuesday evening until late yesterday which is why I'm only back now.

Which can be partly verified by anyone checking if I was online during that period (I wasn't!) or who is in one of the many many roleplays I'm hideously behind on (and sorry people, I will try to do better!).

Reading back on the last few pages I can't make heads or tails of some of the arguments but one that seems to be cropping up is that I'm secretly working hand in hand with our Medium? No I didn't say that - or I didn't mean to say that - and if what I said is read that way then that's (another) sorry from me.

No secret comms.

Elle convinced me early on that she's who she says she is, and so I've largely been following her lead down the line and watching the wordplay to see who's been most intent on questioning her role. In the absence of any kind of investigative powers (I seriously miss my magnifying glass of Detect Evil this game) all I have to go on is what people are and aren't saying. It's clearly not a perfect science (I was far more lucky than smart in my first game) which is why I was so stunned when Joan came out and attacked me earlier in the round.

Why can't the bad people all be murky and confusing and have curly moustaches while the people who seem good actually be good?

With regret, J'accuse Joan (and vote that way).
 
So let me get this straight. You, because Elle seemed trustworthy, decided to an
analyze the people who accused her, from what they say alone. Doesn't seem a whole lot like
I haven't been silent, I've been working with Elle all along.
to me, does it to you?

Why can't the bad people all be murky and confusing and have curly moustaches while the people who seem good actually be good?

I thought you did think of us as murky and confusing. Please refer to your previous post:

Up until today I've been inclined to trust Joan and Elle - and on their sayso, Pen - but with Elle being murdered last night and Joan attempting to point the finger at me I'd say our mafia have finally overplayed their hand.

@Joan, weren't you just telling us earlier that you were the tracker and Pen was the lookout? How exactly did you bug his home as you say you did, if you're going to claim I went to visit him?

I wasn't doing anything of the kind.

I'm not sure if you're both maf or Pen is actually playing Jester and you're just taking advantage of him for cover, but I find the garbled quotes and the fact that you haven't found anything to announce since Night 1 a little suspicious.

First you're certain we're maf, then you regret voting Joan (by the way, why her? Because J, your partner, did?) and think evil people should be more clearly so?

Frankly, you two are the only ones putting doubt in our position, and why wouldn't you be? Our intel is directly incriminating you, and a maf needs to keep their cover. Unfortunately, not a lot of the rest of the town is very active, which isn't really helping... anyone, actually.
 
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I thought you did think of us as murky and confusing. Please refer to your previous post:
It's a joke mate. She's wishing that all the good people looked good, and all the evil people looked evil.
Frankly, you two are the only ones putting doubt in our position, and why wouldn't you be? Our intel is directly incriminating you, and a maf needs to keep their cover. Unfortunately, not a lot of the rest of the town is very active, which isn't really helping... anyone, actually.
Of course we're going to vote for people who are trying to directly incriminate us! How else are we supposed to defend ourselves? We're the only ones who can know for certain if what you level against is true, and if I do deem it to be untrue, then it's obviously most pertinent to vote for the people we think are mafs because of it - you, Pen, and your partner in crime Joan. You were the ones that levelled the accusations, and you act surprised when retaliation happens?
 
Of course we're going to vote for people who are trying to directly incriminate us! How else are we supposed to defend ourselves?
Right, right, forgot you were pretending you aren't maf. Carry on.

@Joan, anything you want to add before the vote?
 
Sorry guys, I'm back online.

Taking baby steps in moving in with my girlfriend - we're spending the week at her place (which is why I was moving on Sunday), and then we ended up out of town visiting my new baby niece Tuesday evening until late yesterday which is why I'm only back now.

Which can be partly verified by anyone checking if I was online during that period (I wasn't!) or who is in one of the many many roleplays I'm hideously behind on (and sorry people, I will try to do better!).

Reading back on the last few pages I can't make heads or tails of some of the arguments but one that seems to be cropping up is that I'm secretly working hand in hand with our Medium? No I didn't say that - or I didn't mean to say that - and if what I said is read that way then that's (another) sorry from me.

No secret comms.

Elle convinced me early on that she's who she says she is, and so I've largely been following her lead down the line and watching the wordplay to see who's been most intent on questioning her role. In the absence of any kind of investigative powers (I seriously miss my magnifying glass of Detect Evil this game) all I have to go on is what people are and aren't saying. It's clearly not a perfect science (I was far more lucky than smart in my first game) which is why I was so stunned when Joan came out and attacked me earlier in the round.

Why can't the bad people all be murky and confusing and have curly moustaches while the people who seem good actually be good?

With regret, J'accuse Joan (and vote that way).
For me, the main thing that I would prefer to be addressed is the whole supposedly roleblocking pen thing. Do you have anything beyond you just saying that you
I'm not, unfortunately, gifted with a role that lets me do any of my own investigating this game so all I have to go on is what other people say and what little I know of the overall picture.
to add to your defense against being outed as the supposed consort?
 
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